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Apple is just getting started - Ivan - 04-21-2012 12:23 AM
hey guys, brother john thinks apple is in the bubble. Maybe there stock is, but i think they are just getting started. here is why.
On my iphone i can download news app or any radio app. Imagine if you can download which news you can watch, tv show, movies, sports from around the world on your big scream. that wont be easy to accomplish for them, since big media and corporation run this world. but one day this could happen. what do you guys think?
RE: Apple is just getting started - Mojofabulous - 04-21-2012 01:00 AM
I'm staying out of it :-p Up down, either way it'll be fun to watch.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Honey - 04-21-2012 07:39 AM
(04-21-2012 12:23 AM)Ivan Wrote: hey guys, brother john thinks apple is in the bubble. Maybe there stock is, but i think they are just getting started. here is why.
On my iphone i can download news app or any radio app. Imagine if you can download which news you can watch, tv show, movies, sports from around the world on your big scream. that wont be easy to accomplish for them, since big media and corporation run this world. but one day this could happen. what do you guys think?
I still think that the stock is in a bubble and will re-correct itself. That being said, it will probably re-inflate based on new products (or the promise of such) etc. I would also guess that Apple is hooked up with "big media" and the corporations that run the world and think that it is entirely possible for them to come out (rather quickly) with big screen TV's that will function just like a giant ipad. I can guarantee that they are already working on that.
Even now.. on our WII player, we can connect to the internet on our big screen and download stuff.
This is all just in my opinion and I would be entirely wrong!!
Their earnings report comes out on Tuesday so that should be interesting. I would guess with the release of the Ipad3, they may not dissapoint. Stay tuned!
RE: Apple is just getting started - KYnyts - 04-21-2012 09:42 AM
Interesting, Ivan, but to me, it doesn't make sense that other smart phones wouldn't also be taking off. Arguably, the Droid can do more than the iPhone app wise. After BJF took a look at the fundamentals, I don't think there is anything propping up its current price. The fickle market giveth and the fickle market taketh away. It will be interesting to watch either way.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Ivan - 04-21-2012 10:10 AM
i guess its wait and see. but i can't wait to get iphone 5. i am a sucker when it comes to iphone.
RE: Apple is just getting started - SonofYAHWEH - 04-21-2012 10:44 AM
Apple is talking about big screens and it will kill the cable and satellite market, so we will see if that happens, I could care less about graphs charts and bubbles though.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Quest - 04-21-2012 04:10 PM
First thing this morning my son's laptop bit the dust. We headed over to the local Best Buy. In this particular store the PC section and Apple section although beside each other are separate. I couldn't help but notice that the PC section was filled with people....I looked over and saw one person in the Apple section.
While Apple and the media that pushes their products would love to think that the PC market is dead......real life experience doesn't seem to represent that.
RE: Apple is just getting started - SonofYAHWEH - 04-21-2012 05:40 PM
(04-21-2012 04:10 PM)Quest Wrote: First thing this morning my son's laptop bit the dust. We headed over to the local Best Buy. In this particular store the PC section and Apple section although beside each other are separate. I couldn't help but notice that the PC section was filled with people....I looked over and saw one person in the Apple section.
While Apple and the media that pushes their products would love to think that the PC market is dead......real life experience doesn't seem to represent that.
the only reason the apple section had one person is b/c they don't sell 2-300$ computers. most people just buy whatever is the cheapest and these days that is PC.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Mojofabulous - 04-21-2012 06:12 PM
(04-21-2012 05:40 PM)SonofYAHWEH Wrote:(04-21-2012 04:10 PM)Quest Wrote: First thing this morning my son's laptop bit the dust. We headed over to the local Best Buy. In this particular store the PC section and Apple section although beside each other are separate. I couldn't help but notice that the PC section was filled with people....I looked over and saw one person in the Apple section.
While Apple and the media that pushes their products would love to think that the PC market is dead......real life experience doesn't seem to represent that.
the only reason the apple section had one person is b/c they don't sell 2-300$ computers. most people just buy whatever is the cheapest and these days that is PC.
Sorry, but that just isn't true. If it were, apple wouldn't be doing as well as it is.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Ivan - 04-21-2012 08:53 PM
(04-21-2012 04:10 PM)Quest Wrote: First thing this morning my son's laptop bit the dust. We headed over to the local Best Buy. In this particular store the PC section and Apple section although beside each other are separate. I couldn't help but notice that the PC section was filled with people....I looked over and saw one person in the Apple section.
While Apple and the media that pushes their products would love to think that the PC market is dead......real life experience doesn't seem to represent that.
who goes to best buy? have you ever been to apple store? check them out, there are cops with guns there because the store is over loaded with people. lol best buy. last time i heard they are closing 29 stores
RE: Apple is just getting started - motionman - 04-21-2012 09:24 PM
Best Buy is the next casualty to file bankruptcy. Apple has partnered with WalMart now.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Honey - 04-21-2012 10:17 PM
I agree with Mojo that Apple is doing some good business. That is a fact. Time will ultimately tell.
The bigger issue is the corporate skimming off the top of the stocks by shareholders. This is NOT cool with me on any level. There are millionaires being made overnight from your 401K.
OT: There is the fear of a "digital" or "one world currency", but face it....we are already there. How many of you on here actually have over $200 in your pocket? We are already buying everything with the card.. Debit, Credit, etc. It amounts to numbers being transfered from here to there. Nothing more. A butterfly wing is very delicate and can be damaged by the slightest touch. Our monitary system is even more so. It floats only by the confidence that it can. The wrong pressure to a particular point could bring it down.
I frankly hope that it doesn't happen anytime soon (but afraid that it will) as I have plans to make. I am not entirely ready and I have a great sadness to get over if this country fails. I really love this country and still cry at the ballgames (when they sing the National Anthem). It really kills me what has happened to our country at the hands of the progressives, liberals, socialists, whatever you want to call them.
RE: Apple is just getting started - SonofYAHWEH - 04-21-2012 10:54 PM
I carry cash everyday, and I have well over $200 in cash in my safe. I do not trust banks though.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Dom2012 - 04-22-2012 02:00 AM
(04-21-2012 12:23 AM)Ivan Wrote: hey guys, brother john thinks apple is in the bubble. Maybe there stock is, but i think they are just getting started. here is why.
On my iphone i can download news app or any radio app. Imagine if you can download which news you can watch, tv show, movies, sports from around the world on your big scream. that wont be easy to accomplish for them, since big media and corporation run this world. but one day this could happen. what do you guys think?
im sorry but i fail to see you have any point at all .................?!
RE: Apple is just getting started - nodebt - 04-22-2012 02:12 PM
Clive's has a bit on Apple's on the preview area of his site.
http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=2717
RE: Apple is just getting started - Mojofabulous - 04-22-2012 02:23 PM
And here i thought everyone had forgot clive existed....darn
RE: Apple is just getting started - Ivan - 04-22-2012 05:58 PM
Clive idea on apple seems to be spot on. you have to be a nut case to buy apple at this price, when every mutual funds owns it.
RE: Apple is just getting started - johndvs - 04-23-2012 10:46 AM
i think brother john is right about the bubble. it seems to me that many people catch apple fever and go all in with them because they are greatly fond of their iphone or mac. im not knocking the products because i have bought them to. just talking about apple with some people and they go nuts over how great the products, they are very enthusiastic about anything apple puts its name on to a point where is clouds their judgement. these are emotions and emotions have no place in investing. when you get right down to it apple devices do not do ANYTHING different than other vendors products. so to me people buy apple because its not cool anymore to have a PC or other smart phone. they want to be different and get in a apple club. the problem with this is once a certain amount of people join the club its not fun anymore because the masses are doing it now to, nothing special anymore. the trend will reverse and move on to the next thing. .
RE: Apple is just getting started - kshymkiw - 04-23-2012 10:58 AM
(04-21-2012 12:23 AM)Ivan Wrote: hey guys, brother john thinks apple is in the bubble. Maybe there stock is, but i think they are just getting started. here is why.
On my iphone i can download news app or any radio app. Imagine if you can download which news you can watch, tv show, movies, sports from around the world on your big scream. that wont be easy to accomplish for them, since big media and corporation run this world. but one day this could happen. what do you guys think?
No idea what you mean here.
Android can do Apps? You can already download everything you are saying on platforms outside of Apple.
RE: Apple is just getting started - harbl_the_cat - 04-23-2012 11:29 AM
Apple absolutely is in a bubble - not just their stock, but their consumer products as well. That said ALL consumer electronics are in a bubble as well.
You look at the input costs of material and labour for a typical consumer electronic and look at the retail price, I'd say you're looking at least a 300-400% mark up. I'd bet it doesn't cost more than $100 - $150 to bring an tablet computer that retails for $400 - $600 to market.
10 years from now, I'd bet 90% of the tablets and smartphones manufactured today will end up in landfills or garage sales, where they will be resold for a fraction of their original retail price. The reason? The material costs of the devices is so low and built in obsolescence with consumer electronics is probably the worst of any manufacturing industry. I bet you the INTRINSIC VALUES of most consumer electronics (that is, the aggregate market price of all the components it is comprised of) are a fraction of their original purchase price.
The only reason people value said electronics is because of the perceived utility and novelty of them. The problem is, most of the utility and all of the novelty of these devices is grossly disproportionate to the price a consumer has to pay for what they get, and the profitability of Apple especially will most certainly serve as an indicator to other producers to get their act together to flood the market with equivalent products cheaper. As it stands now, it costs a week to a month's salary to buy a smartphone or a tablet.
Think about it - when the land line telephone was developed, it was a revolutionary technology and I'm there where a lot of idiot "early adopters" who paid a week's to a month's salary for a landline phone. 150 years later, you can get such a phone for under $5 (less than 1 hours worth of labour). Desktop computers were worse as and the speed at which it went from being 1 months salary to get a crappy PC to a few hours salary to buy a vastly superior one was only a matter of years.
I believe it will be a measure of months at which the affordability of smartphone/tablet computers/etc. hits a similar phenomenon. When that happens, I think Apple especially will fall like a rock both in terms of their share price and the price for their products. That's assuming things keep stumbling along and there is no major economic down turn. If there is a huge economic downturn, I'd expect the consumer electronics collectively to fall through the floor as people enter survival mode and because you can't eat an iPhone.
Just look at RIM:
http://www.google.com/finance?q=RIM
They went from $148 in 2008 to $12 today (down 91%), all because there management team made just a handful of really stupid decisions and a competitor came out and blew them out of the water. They're tablet price went from $500 to $200 in under a year (I like my Playbook, but I still think I overpaid to get it for $180).
Is Apple immune from the same fate? Absolutely not.
Could Apple shares be worth $54 (down 91%) a few years from now (or sooner) - you bet. In perspective, in the same time could silver be worth $2.7/oz (down 91%) - possibly as well. Which of the two do you think is more likely though?
I'd stick with silver, myself.
RE: Apple is just getting started - Ivan - 04-23-2012 11:31 AM
(04-23-2012 10:58 AM)kshymkiw Wrote:(04-21-2012 12:23 AM)Ivan Wrote: hey guys, brother john thinks apple is in the bubble. Maybe there stock is, but i think they are just getting started. here is why.
On my iphone i can download news app or any radio app. Imagine if you can download which news you can watch, tv show, movies, sports from around the world on your big scream. that wont be easy to accomplish for them, since big media and corporation run this world. but one day this could happen. what do you guys think?
No idea what you mean here.
Android can do Apps? You can already download everything you are saying on platforms outside of Apple.
at my work no one has android. so i can't compare. and iam talking about apple tv and not phones.
RE: Apple is just getting started - EL34 - 04-23-2012 12:18 PM
I would never buy an apple computer.
In fact I don't own one apple product and never have.
It's not that I hate apple, it's just that I don't need anything they sell.
I am running 2 x 8 core and one 6 x core AMD desktop machines with 3.1ghz procesors and 8gb ram here that cost less than $700 each for the boxes.
And the machines came with zero bloatware. Only windows 7.
I usually build my own from scratch in existing cases but it was more money to build from scratch.
I can't believe how much you get these days for not much money
I would only buy an apple if I wanted to pay alot of money for machines that won't run 75% of my custom software
Brother john had a great comment about how he would never buy another apple computer on one of his daily vids.
I tend to agree with what he said in that vid
RE: Apple is just getting started - kshymkiw - 04-23-2012 12:28 PM
(04-23-2012 11:31 AM)Ivan Wrote:(04-23-2012 10:58 AM)kshymkiw Wrote:(04-21-2012 12:23 AM)Ivan Wrote: hey guys, brother john thinks apple is in the bubble. Maybe there stock is, but i think they are just getting started. here is why.
On my iphone i can download news app or any radio app. Imagine if you can download which news you can watch, tv show, movies, sports from around the world on your big scream. that wont be easy to accomplish for them, since big media and corporation run this world. but one day this could happen. what do you guys think?
No idea what you mean here.
Android can do Apps? You can already download everything you are saying on platforms outside of Apple.
at my work no one has android. so i can't compare. and iam talking about apple tv and not phones.
I am talking about SERVICES, that are provider independent that provide everything you are looking for already.
You don't need Apple to put an "Interface" around existing services. What you are asking for, has been out for the past 5 years already.
RE: Apple is just getting started - kshymkiw - 04-23-2012 12:32 PM
(04-23-2012 12:18 PM)EL34 Wrote: I would never buy an apple computer.
In fact I don't own one apple product and never have.
It's not that I hate apple, it's just that I don't need anything they sell.
I am running 2 x 8 core and one 6 x core AMD desktop machines with 3.1ghz procesors and 8gb ram here that cost less than $700 each for the boxes.
And the machines came with zero bloatware. Only windows 7.
I usually build my own from scratch in existing cases but it was more money to build from scratch.
I can't believe how much you get these days for not much money
I would only buy an apple if I wanted to pay alot of money for machines that won't run 75% of my custom software
Brother john had a great comment about how he would never buy another apple computer on one of his daily vids.
I tend to agree with what he said in that vid
You have to remember. Apple products are geared towards non-technical people. They are geared towards the consumer who wants to just plug it in and it works.
When you look at it, at low levels, Apple breaks all kinds of standards to make this work. Think about Apple Talk.....Most Networks squash Apple Talk, so the solution, BUY AN APPLE ROUTER!
I know they just pulled IPv6 out of their Airport6.0 upgrade, even though they had it 5.4 working completely. ( http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/041312-apple-ipv6-258241.html )
Apple has a place in the market. Their products are nothing special, their OS is modified FREE BSD, and they are Nazi's when it comes to software and hardware they will support. What other way is their to squash creativity than to have a manual approval process for every single App/Software that gets developed.
Imagine if Bill Gates had to approve every piece of software written for Windows. Consumer computing today would be a lot different.
RE: Apple is just getting started - johndvs - 04-23-2012 01:02 PM
i will have to agree apple is directed for non technical people, personally i prefer to be exposed to the technical details then having the OS make assumptions for me. i see it if you own an apple product you live in a walled garden, things are peaceful but you are not permitted outside the garden. with a pc it is like living in average city. sure there are dangers in this world but you are free to do whatever you please. and this is just the OS, they sell it for somewhere around $20. so the majority of the costs is in the hardware. i find it amusing that with a modern pc motherboard you can straight install the mac osx software as your OS. clearly the hardware is not different then what is found in pc's and the cost is somewhere around 3x the costs of the pc hardware. so where is the value in that. i know several people who have built a mac system for under $500 with pc hardware and spec wise outperform the actual apple products