(04-27-2012 12:32 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  Oh boy, I can hear it now. Get ready for the onslaught of interpretations of how you're attacking Christ.

(04-27-2012 02:27 PM)cosmyccowboy Wrote:  you make the first mistake when you confuse the church at rome with christanity!

(05-01-2012 08:42 PM)General Silver Wrote:  The church at Rome is the Vatican, the Catholic church which was one of the denominations that splintered out of the Council at Nicea. Technically they are Christian, and as St. Peter's church they certainly have a right to that claim, but as do a number of other denominations they believe that they are the one true church, and thus that they have authority to add on their own doctrine beyond what was canonized in the Bible during the Council. Hence why nobody else does Hail Marys. Some other denominations will teach their own non-scripturally based interpretations or even strictly oral doctrine which is ripe for abuse in my opinion. There are yet still other uncanonized books such as Thomas' that was supposedly discovered recently, that aren't part of a particular denomination. So when someone says they are Christian it is really a broader term than you would expect. This is why being non-denominational strictly based on the Bible is my preference, and what I consider to be the least divisive to the body of Christ.


To the topic, the bible is clear on the concept of sun worship.

Deuteronomy 4:19: "Be careful that you don't worship the sun, moon, and stars."

Isaiah 47:13-14: "All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by."


Sun worship is patently luciferian, due to the numerological sun square:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward090.htm

The sun square consists of 36 smaller squares, numbered so that each row, column, and diagonal add up to 111 without repeating any of the numbers, and using all 36. All magic squares adhere to this formula, but this is the only one with the addition resulting in a triple digit number.

If you add up all the numbers in the sun square (1 to 36) the answer is the number of the beast. If you then add all of the those numbers consecutively:
1+2+3+...+664+665+666 = 222111

Here are two instances of the 111, but also 3 instances of triple digit numbers.

3x3 = 9. Here is an excerpt about the number 9 in numerology from http://www.halexandria.org/dward091.htm.

"Of all the single digit numbers, nine (9) may be the most profound. Composed of three trinities (3 times 3 equals 9), nine represents the principles of the sacred Triad taken to their utmost expression. The Chaldeans believed 9 to be sacred, and kept it apart from the rest in their numerology. Nine has been and in some cases still is considered thrice sacred and represents perfection, balance, order -- in effect, the supreme superlative."

Breakdown:
~ The three trinities make the number of the beast one of the most sacred of all numbers in numerology.
~ Numerology assigns this number to the sun specifically.
~ While there are many of them, the Egyptian sun god Ra eludes to both the sun, the pyramid, and the all seeing eye of Horus.
~ Lucifer as the 'morning star' or the 'light bearer' as illuminist freemason Albert Pike refered to him in Morals and Dogma both point to the sun.

Thesis:
One can see how sun worship manifests itself and that if it is to have merit it is only giving creedence to Christianity as properly identifying it.

As Christians we must be wary not to let the seeming fun and games of astrological horoscopes lead us down a dangerous path.

(05-28-2012 11:39 PM)Natsarim Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 08:42 PM)General Silver Wrote:  The church at Rome is the Vatican, the Catholic church which was one of the denominations that splintered out of the Council at Nicea. Technically they are Christian, and as St. Peter's church they certainly have a right to that claim, but as do a number of other denominations they believe that they are the one true church, and thus that they have authority to add on their own doctrine beyond what was canonized in the Bible during the Council. Hence why nobody else does Hail Marys. Some other denominations will teach their own non-scripturally based interpretations or even strictly oral doctrine which is ripe for abuse in my opinion. There are yet still other uncanonized books such as Thomas' that was supposedly discovered recently, that aren't part of a particular denomination. So when someone says they are Christian it is really a broader term than you would expect. This is why being non-denominational strictly based on the Bible is my preference, and what I consider to be the least divisive to the body of Christ.


To the topic, the bible is clear on the concept of sun worship.

Deuteronomy 4:19: "Be careful that you don't worship the sun, moon, and stars."

Isaiah 47:13-14: "All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by."


Sun worship is patently luciferian, due to the numerological sun square:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward090.htm

The sun square consists of 36 smaller squares, numbered so that each row, column, and diagonal add up to 111 without repeating any of the numbers, and using all 36. All magic squares adhere to this formula, but this is the only one with the addition resulting in a triple digit number.

If you add up all the numbers in the sun square (1 to 36) the answer is the number of the beast. If you then add all of the those numbers consecutively:
1+2+3+...+664+665+666 = 222111

Here are two instances of the 111, but also 3 instances of triple digit numbers.

3x3 = 9. Here is an excerpt about the number 9 in numerology from http://www.halexandria.org/dward091.htm.

"Of all the single digit numbers, nine (9) may be the most profound. Composed of three trinities (3 times 3 equals 9), nine represents the principles of the sacred Triad taken to their utmost expression. The Chaldeans believed 9 to be sacred, and kept it apart from the rest in their numerology. Nine has been and in some cases still is considered thrice sacred and represents perfection, balance, order -- in effect, the supreme superlative."

Breakdown:
~ The three trinities make the number of the beast one of the most sacred of all numbers in numerology.
~ Numerology assigns this number to the sun specifically.
~ While there are many of them, the Egyptian sun god Ra eludes to both the sun, the pyramid, and the all seeing eye of Horus.
~ Lucifer as the 'morning star' or the 'light bearer' as illuminist freemason Albert Pike refered to him in Morals and Dogma both point to the sun.

Thesis:
One can see how sun worship manifests itself and that if it is to have merit it is only giving creedence to Christianity as properly identifying it.

As Christians we must be wary not to let the seeming fun and games of astrological horoscopes lead us down a dangerous path.

I think I can add to this here to clarify what I believe EliYaHu is getting at...love the name btw EliYahu. Yes..YaH is my El also.

Excuse me for butting in here....but how do you know what pagan worship "babylonian worship" is unless you know well the Tanakh and the lifestyle HaShem impressed on the Hebrew people? The way the bible defines paganism is the worship of other gods, and did not HaShem say in His comandments...

Deuteronomy 12
28. Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of HaShem thy El.
29. When HaShem thy El shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30. Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.
31. Thou shalt not do so unto HaShem thy El: for every abomination to HaShem, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.
32. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Christianity does not teach any of that, and I know this for a fact…they teach that you can do whatever you want because you’re under grace. I personally think they abuse His “Grace” exceedingly. I could get into loads of more scripture concerning this if needed.

Here's a quick list I just made--This IS paganism according to the Tanakh and Torah AKA our Father’s WORD.

Catholic Vs Christianity

Do you use pagan names to refer to the Mashiach of HaShem or HaShem Himself that was created by the catholic church? Yes
Do you use pagan "titles" for our Creator and His Son created by the catholic church? Yes
Do you celebrate the pagan holiday christmas which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you celebrate the pagan holiday of easter which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the Creators calendar for the gregorian calendar which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you use the Roman Catholic biblical canon which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you surround yourself with idols? The crux, angels, and other graven images which were enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the Sabbath for the sun god worship day which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the commandments of the Father which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the "Feasts of HaShem" which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you accept the "Only Faith Needed" doctrine of the catholic church? Yes

So...according to the all Hebrew learning of the "The Way"...You would never be able to explain the difference between catholics and christians.

It seems to me that if it walks, quacks, looks, swims, and acts like a duck....
But Hey! christian’s have all the grace they could ever ask for don’t they? Christians know he doesn’t want that (if they read their bible), but it’s done anyway because….I forget…why again?

I think christians need to understand that according to the Tanakh/Torah...they are pagans. The Messianic believers hold the Torah as valid because they don’t like spitting in the face of the Creator every day, so to messianic believers--christians are pagans. They do all the stuff that they are told to NOT do in the Torah.
Conclusion: The only religion that doesn't think christianity is pagan is christianity itself.

(05-29-2012 09:49 PM)Mark777 Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 11:39 PM)Natsarim Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 08:42 PM)General Silver Wrote:  The church at Rome is the Vatican, the Catholic church which was one of the denominations that splintered out of the Council at Nicea. Technically they are Christian, and as St. Peter's church they certainly have a right to that claim, but as do a number of other denominations they believe that they are the one true church, and thus that they have authority to add on their own doctrine beyond what was canonized in the Bible during the Council. Hence why nobody else does Hail Marys. Some other denominations will teach their own non-scripturally based interpretations or even strictly oral doctrine which is ripe for abuse in my opinion. There are yet still other uncanonized books such as Thomas' that was supposedly discovered recently, that aren't part of a particular denomination. So when someone says they are Christian it is really a broader term than you would expect. This is why being non-denominational strictly based on the Bible is my preference, and what I consider to be the least divisive to the body of Christ.


To the topic, the bible is clear on the concept of sun worship.

Deuteronomy 4:19: "Be careful that you don't worship the sun, moon, and stars."

Isaiah 47:13-14: "All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by."


Sun worship is patently luciferian, due to the numerological sun square:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward090.htm

The sun square consists of 36 smaller squares, numbered so that each row, column, and diagonal add up to 111 without repeating any of the numbers, and using all 36. All magic squares adhere to this formula, but this is the only one with the addition resulting in a triple digit number.

If you add up all the numbers in the sun square (1 to 36) the answer is the number of the beast. If you then add all of the those numbers consecutively:
1+2+3+...+664+665+666 = 222111

Here are two instances of the 111, but also 3 instances of triple digit numbers.

3x3 = 9. Here is an excerpt about the number 9 in numerology from http://www.halexandria.org/dward091.htm.

"Of all the single digit numbers, nine (9) may be the most profound. Composed of three trinities (3 times 3 equals 9), nine represents the principles of the sacred Triad taken to their utmost expression. The Chaldeans believed 9 to be sacred, and kept it apart from the rest in their numerology. Nine has been and in some cases still is considered thrice sacred and represents perfection, balance, order -- in effect, the supreme superlative."

Breakdown:
~ The three trinities make the number of the beast one of the most sacred of all numbers in numerology.
~ Numerology assigns this number to the sun specifically.
~ While there are many of them, the Egyptian sun god Ra eludes to both the sun, the pyramid, and the all seeing eye of Horus.
~ Lucifer as the 'morning star' or the 'light bearer' as illuminist freemason Albert Pike refered to him in Morals and Dogma both point to the sun.

Thesis:
One can see how sun worship manifests itself and that if it is to have merit it is only giving creedence to Christianity as properly identifying it.

As Christians we must be wary not to let the seeming fun and games of astrological horoscopes lead us down a dangerous path.

I think I can add to this here to clarify what I believe EliYaHu is getting at...love the name btw EliYahu. Yes..YaH is my El also.

Excuse me for butting in here....but how do you know what pagan worship "babylonian worship" is unless you know well the Tanakh and the lifestyle HaShem impressed on the Hebrew people? The way the bible defines paganism is the worship of other gods, and did not HaShem say in His comandments...

Deuteronomy 12
28. Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of HaShem thy El.
29. When HaShem thy El shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30. Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.
31. Thou shalt not do so unto HaShem thy El: for every abomination to HaShem, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.
32. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Christianity does not teach any of that, and I know this for a fact…they teach that you can do whatever you want because you’re under grace. I personally think they abuse His “Grace” exceedingly. I could get into loads of more scripture concerning this if needed.

Here's a quick list I just made--This IS paganism according to the Tanakh and Torah AKA our Father’s WORD.

Catholic Vs Christianity

Do you use pagan names to refer to the Mashiach of HaShem or HaShem Himself that was created by the catholic church? Yes
Do you use pagan "titles" for our Creator and His Son created by the catholic church? Yes
Do you celebrate the pagan holiday christmas which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you celebrate the pagan holiday of easter which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the Creators calendar for the gregorian calendar which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you use the Roman Catholic biblical canon which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you surround yourself with idols? The crux, angels, and other graven images which were enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the Sabbath for the sun god worship day which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the commandments of the Father which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you forsake the "Feasts of HaShem" which was enforced by the catholic church? Yes
Do you accept the "Only Faith Needed" doctrine of the catholic church? Yes

So...according to the all Hebrew learning of the "The Way"...You would never be able to explain the difference between catholics and christians.

It seems to me that if it walks, quacks, looks, swims, and acts like a duck....
But Hey! christian’s have all the grace they could ever ask for don’t they? Christians know he doesn’t want that (if they read their bible), but it’s done anyway because….I forget…why again?

I think christians need to understand that according to the Tanakh/Torah...they are pagans. The Messianic believers hold the Torah as valid because they don’t like spitting in the face of the Creator every day, so to messianic believers--christians are pagans. They do all the stuff that they are told to NOT do in the Torah.
Conclusion: The only religion that doesn't think christianity is pagan is christianity itself.

Here is a site with much information for you to chew on for a while.

http://chick.com/default.asp

You have a lot of information already but you're conclusion about Christianity is 180 degrees wrong. You're nothing but amateur hour stuff at this point and you have no business or credibility at all for saying Christianity is pagan. True Christianity is NOT pagan. Catholicism IMO is pagan thru and thru and is NOT Christian....

I'm not going to get into endless stupid arguing with you. I've seen enough of this bullshit on this site and it's unbelievable how little truth you and others like you understand. I wish all you idiots posting this crap would shut the hell up and go away! In the end, you're not fighting me; but, you will give account one day for every stupid word that comes out of your mouth regarding Christ and Christianity.

(05-30-2012 01:05 AM)Viper_99 Wrote:  Wow Natsarim, You are all over the place on this side of the forum. Are you here to convert Christians to your religion? I thought you didn't liked to be referred to as Jewish, but in your last post you accuse the people on this site of Antisemitism? Pulled this from Wikipedia: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity." Why would you bring up anti-semitism?

You and Eliyahu seem to do a tag team on these threads. You set up a straw man and then lure people into a discussion. "Proven...Christianity = Babylonian Sun god worship Time to wake up???" You know this is a Christian site and yet you post this title to get people to bite. Once you have the straw man set up you take your religious perspective, which basic indicates that Christianity is not your beliefs and we are wrong and you are right. You say it with such authority and conviction to make Christians out to be fools for not believing your message. "according to the all Hebrew learning of 'The Way'...You would never..." This is true from your "correct perspective" how could we possible understand or explain. It is your beliefs not ours, so of course Christians have the "incorrect perspective" from your point of view. (straw man) How can one argue again such sound logic?

"So...according to the all Hebrew learning of the "The Way"...You would never be able to explain the difference between catholics and christians.

It seems to me that if it walks, quacks, looks, swims, and acts like a duck....
But Hey! christian’s have all the grace they could ever ask for don’t they? Christians know he doesn’t want that (if they read their bible), but it’s done anyway because….I forget…why again?"

This I guess is a shot at being saved by grace not works??? Why are you attacking Christianity? What is your motive? Do you like to incite argument and hate? Do you despise the grace Jesus gives to His followers?

"I think christians need to understand that according to the Tanakh/Torah...they are pagans. The Messianic believers hold the Torah as valid because they don’t like spitting in the face of the Creator every day, so to messianic believers--christians are pagans. They do all the stuff that they are told to NOT do in the Torah.
Conclusion: The only religion that doesn't think christianity is pagan is christianity itself."

We do not think of ourselves as pagans but followers of Jesus Christ the Messiah of the old testament. Once again you set up a straw man with "so to messianic believers--christians are pagans" I sure from your perspective we are pagans - where is the argument? I could say, "from my beliefs the messianic believers have a lack of scriptural understanding and have not understood that the Messiah has already come and his name is Jesus. These messianic believers are not only ones who got it wrong, all Christians know this to be true". I don't need the messianic believers (how do you like when your faith is not capitalized?) to tell us we are pagans, we have our own faith. Jesus already warned us that we would be despised and hated. Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved". Just because you have contempt for us does not hurt us and I don't think it will win many over to your thinking. On a side note I am not antisemitic. To be very honest I'm very pro Israel and want many Jewish to know Jesus.

I see right through what you are doing. There is not point to arguing with you and I think you should really question your motives for being on this forum. If you had honest questions that you did not already have your pat answers for that would be a different story but that is not the case nor your motive.

I will never convince you through argument but I know the difference Jesus Christ has made in my life, this what I cling to as my most compelling evidence for my faith. Jesus changed my heart from an angry, hateful, and rebellious man to someone who is growing (not perfect) in the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law". Galatians 5:21-24 Oh no, back to that grace thing again. Is your faith more about the law than the change in your heart?

Here I leave you with this verse: Acts 9: 19b Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21 All those who heard him were astonished and asked, “Isn’t he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn’t he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?” 22 Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah.

I will include you in my prayers, I will ask the Holy Spirit how to pray for you. All the best and my the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ bless you!

P.S> I will really look for the book we talked about in our last thread. I truly meant it!

(05-30-2012 06:04 AM)Natsarim Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 01:05 AM)Viper_99 Wrote:  Wow Natsarim, You are all over the place on this side of the forum. Are you here to convert Christians to your religion? I thought you didn't liked to be referred to as Jewish, but in your last post you accuse the people on this site of Antisemitism? Pulled this from Wikipedia: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity." Why would you bring up anti-semitism?

You and Eliyahu seem to do a tag team on these threads. You set up a straw man and then lure people into a discussion. "Proven...Christianity = Babylonian Sun god worship Time to wake up???" You know this is a Christian site and yet you post this title to get people to bite. Once you have the straw man set up you take your religious perspective, which basic indicates that Christianity is not your beliefs and we are wrong and you are right. You say it with such authority and conviction to make Christians out to be fools for not believing your message. "according to the all Hebrew learning of 'The Way'...You would never..." This is true from your "correct perspective" how could we possible understand or explain. It is your beliefs not ours, so of course Christians have the "incorrect perspective" from your point of view. (straw man) How can one argue again such sound logic?

"So...according to the all Hebrew learning of the "The Way"...You would never be able to explain the difference between catholics and christians.

It seems to me that if it walks, quacks, looks, swims, and acts like a duck....
But Hey! christian’s have all the grace they could ever ask for don’t they? Christians know he doesn’t want that (if they read their bible), but it’s done anyway because….I forget…why again?"

This I guess is a shot at being saved by grace not works??? Why are you attacking Christianity? What is your motive? Do you like to incite argument and hate? Do you despise the grace Jesus gives to His followers?

"I think christians need to understand that according to the Tanakh/Torah...they are pagans. The Messianic believers hold the Torah as valid because they don’t like spitting in the face of the Creator every day, so to messianic believers--christians are pagans. They do all the stuff that they are told to NOT do in the Torah.
Conclusion: The only religion that doesn't think christianity is pagan is christianity itself."

We do not think of ourselves as pagans but followers of Jesus Christ the Messiah of the old testament. Once again you set up a straw man with "so to messianic believers--christians are pagans" I sure from your perspective we are pagans - where is the argument? I could say, "from my beliefs the messianic believers have a lack of scriptural understanding and have not understood that the Messiah has already come and his name is Jesus. These messianic believers are not only ones who got it wrong, all Christians know this to be true". I don't need the messianic believers (how do you like when your faith is not capitalized?) to tell us we are pagans, we have our own faith. Jesus already warned us that we would be despised and hated. Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved". Just because you have contempt for us does not hurt us and I don't think it will win many over to your thinking. On a side note I am not antisemitic. To be very honest I'm very pro Israel and want many Jewish to know Jesus.

I see right through what you are doing. There is not point to arguing with you and I think you should really question your motives for being on this forum. If you had honest questions that you did not already have your pat answers for that would be a different story but that is not the case nor your motive.

I will never convince you through argument but I know the difference Jesus Christ has made in my life, this what I cling to as my most compelling evidence for my faith. Jesus changed my heart from an angry, hateful, and rebellious man to someone who is growing (not perfect) in the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law". Galatians 5:21-24 Oh no, back to that grace thing again. Is your faith more about the law than the change in your heart?

Here I leave you with this verse: Acts 9: 19b Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21 All those who heard him were astonished and asked, “Isn’t he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn’t he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?” 22 Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah.

I will include you in my prayers, I will ask the Holy Spirit how to pray for you. All the best and my the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ bless you!

P.S> I will really look for the book we talked about in our last thread. I truly meant it!

I think you should scroll down to my pole I put up a few weeks ago. Read that and undestand that this is NOT a christian forum at all. I made that plainly understood there. Read it and enjoy.

Me and EliYaHu a tag team? Are you serious? Read the posts done by the messianic believers here....there seems to be 5-6 of us here in these forums. WAIT ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!! ALL 6 TAG TEAM!!!! I KNOW IT!!!...I mean come on.

You think I'm the only one to believe in some aspects, that's small minded in the extreme, but that's just the norm for christians...gotta keep you guys and gals in the dark!!!!

Antisemitism...it's clear you haven't read the forum. Every messianic (non cap just for YOU!) believer in here gets beat up by christians. Do you bother to read half the posts in here? I am YISRA'ELITE how many times do I need to say this? You don't understand because you do not know history. To refer to someone as jewish has ALWAYS been a derogatory term for centuries...until lately (last hundred years)...It is disgusting to those of us who know...so please stop. YaHudah is the tribes name, and it is a Qodesh name!!!! You disgrace and dishonor them greatly by your ignorance. Life is not all peaches and cream like what is taught in your country. Get out of your country and learn true history...not what they teach you in your churches and schools.

Back to the point here...70% of the people posting in this forum are antisemitic. They do hate the YaHudim. When one come teaching "The Way" of the YaHudim they are blasted and refering to the other thread they have foul language directed at them. Just for stating what the scriptures say verbatim. I am a member of many Hebrew forums...don't worry, they are learning of what is being said here by christians. If you understood half of what you think you understood you would realize that I only state facts. You will one day regardless.

Here's a true statement just from me to you. Christians to us are pagan. Do I feel the need to let that be known? Sure I do, that's my job. However, I am only sent by my Father to those that seek Him. If you do not seek Hashem with all your heart then I am not sent to you and the words I write will infuriate you. You will hate me for what I write because you do not seek the Father with all your heart. It is the Mark of YaH that I search for...I can help those. There are a few on these forums that are such, and I will help them in any way I can, and vice versa.

Needing to capitalize christians? I'd die first...literally. I will never give honor to the apostate teaching.

Messianic believer have a lack of understanding...Sigh
You even quote a Messianic believer's writing when trying to prove that point...MattithYaHu is the only Messianic scripture of good news that I will use, and that only sparingly. I know that they were all written under assumed names and for specific reasons. I do my history research.

Here's the best part, you're little end there. You will include me in you prayers. Have you never read the scripture Proverbs 28:9?
The word hear there in your kjv is the word shama in Hebrew. It means to hear,understand, and obey. Please do not include me in your prayers until you perform this.

Notice that my post you quote says "According to". This is not MY opinion. I only pull what I say straight from the book. It's not me you have a problem with...it's the scripture. Get that straight please.

(05-30-2012 07:54 PM)Eliyahu Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:04 AM)Natsarim Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 01:05 AM)Viper_99 Wrote:  Wow Natsarim, You are all over the place on this side of the forum. Are you here to convert Christians to your religion? I thought you didn't liked to be referred to as Jewish, but in your last post you accuse the people on this site of Antisemitism? Pulled this from Wikipedia: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity." Why would you bring up anti-semitism?

You and Eliyahu seem to do a tag team on these threads. You set up a straw man and then lure people into a discussion. "Proven...Christianity = Babylonian Sun god worship Time to wake up???" You know this is a Christian site and yet you post this title to get people to bite. Once you have the straw man set up you take your religious perspective, which basic indicates that Christianity is not your beliefs and we are wrong and you are right. You say it with such authority and conviction to make Christians out to be fools for not believing your message. "according to the all Hebrew learning of 'The Way'...You would never..." This is true from your "correct perspective" how could we possible understand or explain. It is your beliefs not ours, so of course Christians have the "incorrect perspective" from your point of view. (straw man) How can one argue again such sound logic?

"So...according to the all Hebrew learning of the "The Way"...You would never be able to explain the difference between catholics and christians.

It seems to me that if it walks, quacks, looks, swims, and acts like a duck....
But Hey! christian’s have all the grace they could ever ask for don’t they? Christians know he doesn’t want that (if they read their bible), but it’s done anyway because….I forget…why again?"

This I guess is a shot at being saved by grace not works??? Why are you attacking Christianity? What is your motive? Do you like to incite argument and hate? Do you despise the grace Jesus gives to His followers?

"I think christians need to understand that according to the Tanakh/Torah...they are pagans. The Messianic believers hold the Torah as valid because they don’t like spitting in the face of the Creator every day, so to messianic believers--christians are pagans. They do all the stuff that they are told to NOT do in the Torah.
Conclusion: The only religion that doesn't think christianity is pagan is christianity itself."

We do not think of ourselves as pagans but followers of Jesus Christ the Messiah of the old testament. Once again you set up a straw man with "so to messianic believers--christians are pagans" I sure from your perspective we are pagans - where is the argument? I could say, "from my beliefs the messianic believers have a lack of scriptural understanding and have not understood that the Messiah has already come and his name is Jesus. These messianic believers are not only ones who got it wrong, all Christians know this to be true". I don't need the messianic believers (how do you like when your faith is not capitalized?) to tell us we are pagans, we have our own faith. Jesus already warned us that we would be despised and hated. Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved". Just because you have contempt for us does not hurt us and I don't think it will win many over to your thinking. On a side note I am not antisemitic. To be very honest I'm very pro Israel and want many Jewish to know Jesus.

I see right through what you are doing. There is not point to arguing with you and I think you should really question your motives for being on this forum. If you had honest questions that you did not already have your pat answers for that would be a different story but that is not the case nor your motive.

I will never convince you through argument but I know the difference Jesus Christ has made in my life, this what I cling to as my most compelling evidence for my faith. Jesus changed my heart from an angry, hateful, and rebellious man to someone who is growing (not perfect) in the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law". Galatians 5:21-24 Oh no, back to that grace thing again. Is your faith more about the law than the change in your heart?

Here I leave you with this verse: Acts 9: 19b Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21 All those who heard him were astonished and asked, “Isn’t he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn’t he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?” 22 Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah.

I will include you in my prayers, I will ask the Holy Spirit how to pray for you. All the best and my the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ bless you!

P.S> I will really look for the book we talked about in our last thread. I truly meant it!

I think you should scroll down to my pole I put up a few weeks ago. Read that and undestand that this is NOT a christian forum at all. I made that plainly understood there. Read it and enjoy.

Me and EliYaHu a tag team? Are you serious? Read the posts done by the messianic believers here....there seems to be 5-6 of us here in these forums. WAIT ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!! ALL 6 TAG TEAM!!!! I KNOW IT!!!...I mean come on.

You think I'm the only one to believe in some aspects, that's small minded in the extreme, but that's just the norm for christians...gotta keep you guys and gals in the dark!!!!

Antisemitism...it's clear you haven't read the forum. Every messianic (non cap just for YOU!) believer in here gets beat up by christians. Do you bother to read half the posts in here? I am YISRA'ELITE how many times do I need to say this? You don't understand because you do not know history. To refer to someone as jewish has ALWAYS been a derogatory term for centuries...until lately (last hundred years)...It is disgusting to those of us who know...so please stop. YaHudah is the tribes name, and it is a Qodesh name!!!! You disgrace and dishonor them greatly by your ignorance. Life is not all peaches and cream like what is taught in your country. Get out of your country and learn true history...not what they teach you in your churches and schools.

Back to the point here...70% of the people posting in this forum are antisemitic. They do hate the YaHudim. When one come teaching "The Way" of the YaHudim they are blasted and refering to the other thread they have foul language directed at them. Just for stating what the scriptures say verbatim. I am a member of many Hebrew forums...don't worry, they are learning of what is being said here by christians. If you understood half of what you think you understood you would realize that I only state facts. You will one day regardless.

Here's a true statement just from me to you. Christians to us are pagan. Do I feel the need to let that be known? Sure I do, that's my job. However, I am only sent by my Father to those that seek Him. If you do not seek Hashem with all your heart then I am not sent to you and the words I write will infuriate you. You will hate me for what I write because you do not seek the Father with all your heart. It is the Mark of YaH that I search for...I can help those. There are a few on these forums that are such, and I will help them in any way I can, and vice versa.

Needing to capitalize christians? I'd die first...literally. I will never give honor to the apostate teaching.

Messianic believer have a lack of understanding...Sigh
You even quote a Messianic believer's writing when trying to prove that point...MattithYaHu is the only Messianic scripture of good news that I will use, and that only sparingly. I know that they were all written under assumed names and for specific reasons. I do my history research.

Here's the best part, you're little end there. You will include me in you prayers. Have you never read the scripture Proverbs 28:9?
The word hear there in your kjv is the word shama in Hebrew. It means to hear,understand, and obey. Please do not include me in your prayers until you perform this.

Notice that my post you quote says "According to". This is not MY opinion. I only pull what I say straight from the book. It's not me you have a problem with...it's the scripture. Get that straight please.

Nice to meet you Natsarim...I've never spoken to you before...thanks for the compliment in the name!! I love yours also for sure!! Praise YaH!


Now you Viper...let me direct my attention to the snake here. I haven't been on this forum in over a month...but i'm in cahoots with Natsarim? You sir are a absolute idiot. Check the dates on my posts against Natsarim...i've never seen him on here so I don't think your tiny brain will have a problem coming to this conclusion.

Pathetic

Also one more for the road. I'll throw in a aid for Natsarim for this one. TAG TEAM!!! You say that he's taking the high road? No sir...that's just how ignorant you are compared to him. I have read Eisenman's material and I know well what the dead sea scrolls contain..they contain the end of christianity. He know's it and I know it and it's the saddest thing to watch people like you hang on for dear life to a lie...and attack the ones trying to wake them up! So sad and pathetic.

Anyway have fun with your lie...

(05-31-2012 06:09 PM)agsilverbear Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 07:54 PM)Eliyahu Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 06:04 AM)Natsarim Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 01:05 AM)Viper_99 Wrote:  Wow Natsarim, You are all over the place on this side of the forum. Are you here to convert Christians to your religion? I thought you didn't liked to be referred to as Jewish, but in your last post you accuse the people on this site of Antisemitism? Pulled this from Wikipedia: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity." Why would you bring up anti-semitism?

You and Eliyahu seem to do a tag team on these threads. You set up a straw man and then lure people into a discussion. "Proven...Christianity = Babylonian Sun god worship Time to wake up???" You know this is a Christian site and yet you post this title to get people to bite. Once you have the straw man set up you take your religious perspective, which basic indicates that Christianity is not your beliefs and we are wrong and you are right. You say it with such authority and conviction to make Christians out to be fools for not believing your message. "according to the all Hebrew learning of 'The Way'...You would never..." This is true from your "correct perspective" how could we possible understand or explain. It is your beliefs not ours, so of course Christians have the "incorrect perspective" from your point of view. (straw man) How can one argue again such sound logic?

"So...according to the all Hebrew learning of the "The Way"...You would never be able to explain the difference between catholics and christians.

It seems to me that if it walks, quacks, looks, swims, and acts like a duck....
But Hey! christian’s have all the grace they could ever ask for don’t they? Christians know he doesn’t want that (if they read their bible), but it’s done anyway because….I forget…why again?"

This I guess is a shot at being saved by grace not works??? Why are you attacking Christianity? What is your motive? Do you like to incite argument and hate? Do you despise the grace Jesus gives to His followers?

"I think christians need to understand that according to the Tanakh/Torah...they are pagans. The Messianic believers hold the Torah as valid because they don’t like spitting in the face of the Creator every day, so to messianic believers--christians are pagans. They do all the stuff that they are told to NOT do in the Torah.
Conclusion: The only religion that doesn't think christianity is pagan is christianity itself."

We do not think of ourselves as pagans but followers of Jesus Christ the Messiah of the old testament. Once again you set up a straw man with "so to messianic believers--christians are pagans" I sure from your perspective we are pagans - where is the argument? I could say, "from my beliefs the messianic believers have a lack of scriptural understanding and have not understood that the Messiah has already come and his name is Jesus. These messianic believers are not only ones who got it wrong, all Christians know this to be true". I don't need the messianic believers (how do you like when your faith is not capitalized?) to tell us we are pagans, we have our own faith. Jesus already warned us that we would be despised and hated. Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved". Just because you have contempt for us does not hurt us and I don't think it will win many over to your thinking. On a side note I am not antisemitic. To be very honest I'm very pro Israel and want many Jewish to know Jesus.

I see right through what you are doing. There is not point to arguing with you and I think you should really question your motives for being on this forum. If you had honest questions that you did not already have your pat answers for that would be a different story but that is not the case nor your motive.

I will never convince you through argument but I know the difference Jesus Christ has made in my life, this what I cling to as my most compelling evidence for my faith. Jesus changed my heart from an angry, hateful, and rebellious man to someone who is growing (not perfect) in the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law". Galatians 5:21-24 Oh no, back to that grace thing again. Is your faith more about the law than the change in your heart?

Here I leave you with this verse: Acts 9: 19b Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21 All those who heard him were astonished and asked, “Isn’t he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn’t he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?” 22 Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah.

I will include you in my prayers, I will ask the Holy Spirit how to pray for you. All the best and my the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ bless you!

P.S> I will really look for the book we talked about in our last thread. I truly meant it!

I think you should scroll down to my pole I put up a few weeks ago. Read that and undestand that this is NOT a christian forum at all. I made that plainly understood there. Read it and enjoy.

Me and EliYaHu a tag team? Are you serious? Read the posts done by the messianic believers here....there seems to be 5-6 of us here in these forums. WAIT ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!! ALL 6 TAG TEAM!!!! I KNOW IT!!!...I mean come on.

You think I'm the only one to believe in some aspects, that's small minded in the extreme, but that's just the norm for christians...gotta keep you guys and gals in the dark!!!!

Antisemitism...it's clear you haven't read the forum. Every messianic (non cap just for YOU!) believer in here gets beat up by christians. Do you bother to read half the posts in here? I am YISRA'ELITE how many times do I need to say this? You don't understand because you do not know history. To refer to someone as jewish has ALWAYS been a derogatory term for centuries...until lately (last hundred years)...It is disgusting to those of us who know...so please stop. YaHudah is the tribes name, and it is a Qodesh name!!!! You disgrace and dishonor them greatly by your ignorance. Life is not all peaches and cream like what is taught in your country. Get out of your country and learn true history...not what they teach you in your churches and schools.

Back to the point here...70% of the people posting in this forum are antisemitic. They do hate the YaHudim. When one come teaching "The Way" of the YaHudim they are blasted and refering to the other thread they have foul language directed at them. Just for stating what the scriptures say verbatim. I am a member of many Hebrew forums...don't worry, they are learning of what is being said here by christians. If you understood half of what you think you understood you would realize that I only state facts. You will one day regardless.

Here's a true statement just from me to you. Christians to us are pagan. Do I feel the need to let that be known? Sure I do, that's my job. However, I am only sent by my Father to those that seek Him. If you do not seek Hashem with all your heart then I am not sent to you and the words I write will infuriate you. You will hate me for what I write because you do not seek the Father with all your heart. It is the Mark of YaH that I search for...I can help those. There are a few on these forums that are such, and I will help them in any way I can, and vice versa.

Needing to capitalize christians? I'd die first...literally. I will never give honor to the apostate teaching.

Messianic believer have a lack of understanding...Sigh
You even quote a Messianic believer's writing when trying to prove that point...MattithYaHu is the only Messianic scripture of good news that I will use, and that only sparingly. I know that they were all written under assumed names and for specific reasons. I do my history research.

Here's the best part, you're little end there. You will include me in you prayers. Have you never read the scripture Proverbs 28:9?
The word hear there in your kjv is the word shama in Hebrew. It means to hear,understand, and obey. Please do not include me in your prayers until you perform this.

Notice that my post you quote says "According to". This is not MY opinion. I only pull what I say straight from the book. It's not me you have a problem with...it's the scripture. Get that straight please.

Nice to meet you Natsarim...I've never spoken to you before...thanks for the compliment in the name!! I love yours also for sure!! Praise YaH!


Now you Viper...let me direct my attention to the snake here. I haven't been on this forum in over a month...but i'm in cahoots with Natsarim? You sir are a absolute idiot. Check the dates on my posts against Natsarim...i've never seen him on here so I don't think your tiny brain will have a problem coming to this conclusion.

Pathetic

Also one more for the road. I'll throw in a aid for Natsarim for this one. TAG TEAM!!! You say that he's taking the high road? No sir...that's just how ignorant you are compared to him. I have read Eisenman's material and I know well what the dead sea scrolls contain..they contain the end of christianity. He know's it and I know it and it's the saddest thing to watch people like you hang on for dear life to a lie...and attack the ones trying to wake them up! So sad and pathetic.

Anyway have fun with your lie...

Eliyahu has never spoken to Natasrim before but they share the same IP address. OK, I suppose that could happen.. but not likely.