The Trinity

[Silver07]

I can't find the word trinity anywhere in the Holy Bible. What's your take?

[Chette]

Me either.

So what is your purpose just to post someone else's video with no statement as to what you believe?

However, you may want to prayerfully consider these verses and ask who and what is the Godhead.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. If your Bible does not have this verse it is not a preserved word of God and follows the Roman Catholic versions of the vaticanicus (SP?) and siticanicus (SP?). This verse clearly stats "these THREE are ONE" that is a trinity.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[Silver07]

(04-27-2012 09:19 AM)Chette Wrote:  Me either.

So what is your purpose just to post someone else's video with no statement as to what you believe?

However, you may want to prayerfully consider these verses and ask who and what is the Godhead.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. If your Bible does not have this verse it is not a preserved word of God and follows the Roman Catholic versions of the vaticanicus (SP?) and siticanicus (SP?). This verse clearly stats "these THREE are ONE" that is a trinity.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Sorry Chette, not everyone is you or can be you.

[Eliyahu]

Ruach Ha-Qodesh

Until you know this you are allowing yourself to be fooled with the delusions produced by the catholic church.

Christians don't seem to care about that though.

[Chette]

(04-27-2012 11:46 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:  Ruach Ha-Qodesh

Until you know this you are allowing yourself to be fooled with the delusions produced by the catholic church.

Christians don't seem to care about that though.

the RC has removed 1John5:7 from their texts and bibles. Why? because they do not want a bible based authoritative and infallible truth what they want is papal authority and infallibility.

the Bible is clear.

Ruach Ha-Qodesh - well my friend the Hebrew is not written with vowels or English letters so you are using an English transliteration with added vowels based on Strong's Hebrew dictionary.

Qodesh - This word has four Hebrew letters and at least four different meanings in and of itself and they are all different. I had to write a minimum of 10,000 word dissertation on qdsh at Bible college so trust me I know more than you give me credit for. The same three Hebrew letters that mean holy can also mean defiled, consecrated, and set apart.

Ruach - these three Hebrew letters can mean breath, breathed, wind, breathing, spirit, blow, enlarge, enlargement, expand or space. I don't need to go back to the supposed original words. when I have a preserve word of God in English for this generation.

Ha- this is great as this participle is not in many supposed original language it was added by translators and you are not being forthcoming by using it without giving us the knowledge that it was added to the Hebrew text for clarification. The AV was more honest in that every time it added a word in English for clarification of the text they Italicized it.

you were again not being forthcoming by not giving the exact location to the Hebrew words in the text. where is the term found in the Bible Hebrew or otherwise? That would help me to know the context of the meaning of qdsh h rch as you supposedly wanted me to learn. Impossible without the address of the term for the context is important to interpret Hebrew.

By the way if you have "an Original" Bible and I mean "an Original" I will pay you one hundred thousand dollars for it whether in Greek or Hebrew. I have this out there for years and so far no one has been able to sell me an Original. You see you have no original to compare your translation too to see if it is indeed correct. So how can we know you have the whole, complete, inerrant, inspired, and infallible words of God? this where I put my trust in God keeping his promise to preserve his words to every generation forever.

Read the introduction to the Tankh where they praise the Christians for preserving the word but then they follow the vaticanicus and siticanicus both RC documents. You are using a Roman Catholic preserved Hebrew text and you have the nerve to INSULT me and CLAIM i am being fooled and deluded.

[AmericanDogMan]

@Chette

Ruach:

Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path

So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!!
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You're pretty much a person who just likes to argue about nonsense. You're a philosophy major!!

You have shown to have no care for the truth but rather someone who just likes to argue to promote a Doctrine of Confusion. Good luck standing before the Most High after having so many people warn you!! Not a personal attack just the TRUTH!!

Just admit your an Atheist and call it a day!

[agsilverbear]

(04-30-2012 09:22 PM)AmericanDogMan Wrote:  @Chette

Ruach:

Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path

So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!!
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You're pretty much a person who just likes to argue about nonsense. You're a philosophy major!!

You have shown to have no care for the truth but rather someone who just likes to argue to promote a Doctrine of Confusion. Good luck standing before the Most High after having so many people warn you!! Not a personal attack just the TRUTH!!

Just admit your an Atheist and call it a day!

The next personal attack that you make on this forum will be your last.

[Chette]

(04-30-2012 09:22 PM)AmericanDogMan Wrote:  @Chette

Ruach:

Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path

So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!!

Can you give a scripture verse for "Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path" or for "So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!" ?

I am one who likes Bible verses to show the truth not a man, not someones words but God's Word.

Without context the word "ruch" can mean many things. In order for me to see if your interpretation is correct or that I may interpret the Hebrew, I will need the scripture reference.

Quote:Good luck standing before the Most High after having so many people warn you!! Not a personal attack just the TRUTH!!

I will not stand before God the Father in Judgement seeing my sin was judged on Christ's Cross, I will stand before the judgement seat of Christ to receive of him those things I have done in this body, and he knows all things I have shared because I am already seated in the heavenly places where God the father is through His son Jesus Christ.

Rom 5:16-18 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

2Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

seems you have made yourself my judge. remember by what judgement you use it shall be measured back to you. You would be justified in judging me if we were in the same local church but we are not.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

you need to be careful it may be you who is being blown about and not by the LORD.

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

[findingyahsway]

(05-01-2012 12:44 AM)Chette Wrote:  Ruach:

Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path

[/align]So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!!


Without context the word "ruch" can mean many things. In order for me to see if your interpretation is correct or that I may interpret the Hebrew, I will need the scripture reference.

Why would you think you had any right or expertise greater than another person. Did he ask you, for you're guidance on his interpretation.? If you'd like to learn his opinion then fine. But to say your going to tell someone else whether there interpretation is correct seems deeply arrogant. Especially for one who seems to have disdain for commandment keepers. (-- that's an observation)

Even after said apology

[Chette]

(05-01-2012 08:19 AM)findingyahsway Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 12:44 AM)Chette Wrote:  Ruach:

Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path

[/align]So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!!


Without context the word "ruch" can mean many things. In order for me to see if your interpretation is correct or that the Hebrew, I will need the scripture reference.

Why would you think you had any right or expertise greater than another person. Did he ask you, for you're guidance on his interpretation.? If you'd like to learn his opinion then fine. But to say your going to tell someone else whether there interpretation is correct seems deeply arrogant. Especially for one who seems to have disdain for commandment keepers. (-- that's an observation)

Even after said apology

It seem your are reading into the text. I never said I was going to "Tell" him anything? or tell him if he is correct or not? see the words "me to see" and "I may interpret" that is the context of my statement. You read my text with a pretext, that is you read it with a preconceived idea as to what I was saying. Or without considering the context you replied your interpretation of my words without any regard for what the text truly says. I really hope that you don't study your Bible that way.

When someone takes random Hebrew phrase and removes it from the surrounding verse then it is left with no interpretation except that of the reader and could possibly be incorrect. for example the same three Hebrew words without any scripture to guide the interpretation can mean "a defiled space" or "defiled breath" as well as "holy space" or "holy breath" do you see without the context to determine we are left to anyone's interpretation of qdsh h rch. I want to know God's words not a man.

2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It was asked of me to learn qdsh h rch in Hebrew without giving me a scripture reference so I could determine the interpretation and thereby learn. Looking at the scriptural context allows me to "see" if any given interpretation is correct not just mine but anyone's. It is called inductive study, and without the scripture reference it is impossible to interpret the correct Hebrew meaning of those words and can lead to deception.

Then another gives an interpretation of what rch means with all sorts of added words to it. i.e. Wind blows and pushes; what it can; on a path. So does the Spirit blow and push you on the path; except this wind/spirit comes from the very being of YHWH!!

Now watch carefully, rch in and of itself, Amdogman only quoted one word rch, cannot mean anything more that wind, breath, blow, enlargement, expanse, or space without any words with it. the three words together are not even complete enough to determine a correct interpretation. plus he added exclamation points as if it is to be screamed. the whole interpretation Americandogman gave was without any surrounding context of scripture therefore it is a private interpretation.

And we can also see he added yhwh. this word was not even in the original challenge to me to learn "qdsh h rch". By this I am still scratching my head as to how he got his interpretation. So it would seem someone wanted to tell me what it meant but had to add all sorts of words to it in order to do so. So I asked for scripture reference to see if that was the correct interpretation.

Wouldn't you want to check and see if what someone was teaching was true or correct to the Word of God?


Ac 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Pr 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[Chette]

In order to understand and apply scriptures one should use the O.I.A. to study of the the scriptures. Observation, Interpretation and Application.

One must come to the Scriptures Inductively. Seeking to bring out the meaning and truth of the text that God intended through Observation of the surrounding text in the scriptures.

Observation comes by reading the text a few time through asking question of the text at hand. Make a chart with these questions who, what, when, where, why, which and how.

When all that is done then you may want to do some word studies to determine by the context what is the meaning of any given word in the text. find a word then cross reference it and see how the word is defined in the context of how it is used in all it's uses.

Once the Observation phase is done then then you can move into the Interpretation.

When you have a clear understanding of what the text says through Observation you can now interpret the text, by keeping the words with their meanings and context then restate the text in your own words. Now scriptures have three ways of being interpreted and the obeservation stage helps you to determine which way to interpret. those three ways of Historical, Doctrinal and Spiritual.

Now an Interpretation is of no consequence to man unless it has an Application. By restating the scripture in your own, known as exegesis, you can now move to the Application. What application for your life and godliness is the scripture telling you to do? And that of course will be related to Who it is written to and to whom it is not written to. If it is not written to you specifically it is not a doctrine for you, but may have a historical or spiritual application. If it is historical then it wont apply to you. If it is has a spiritual application but not Doctrinal or Historical, that is what you will practice and follow.

O.I.A. is the best way to keep from misunderstanding and misapplying scripture. Without it you will be left at the mercy of others to tell you what it means or how it applies. 2 Timothy 2:15 is clearly to be applied to all men 2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[findingyahsway]

(05-01-2012 09:49 PM)Chette Wrote:  In order to understand and apply scriptures one should use the O.I.A. to study of the the scriptures. Observation, Interpretation and Application.

One must come to the Scriptures Inductively. Seeking to bring out the meaning and truth of the text that God intended through Observation of the surrounding text in the scriptures.

Observation comes by reading the text a few time through asking question of the text at hand. Make a chart with these questions who, what, when, where, why, which and how.

When all that is done then you may want to do some word studies to determine by the context what is the meaning of any given word in the text. find a word then cross reference it and see how the word is defined in the context of how it is used in all it's uses.

Once the Observation phase is done then then you can move into the Interpretation.

When you have a clear understanding of what the text says through Observation you can now interpret the text, by keeping the words with their meanings and context then restate the text in your own words. Now scriptures have three ways of being interpreted and the obeservation stage helps you to determine which way to interpret. those three ways of Historical, Doctrinal and Spiritual.

Now an Interpretation is of no consequence to man unless it has an Application. By restating the scripture in your own, known as exegesis, you can now move to the Application. What application for your life and godliness is the scripture telling you to do? And that of course will be related to Who it is written to and to whom it is not written to. If it is not written to you specifically it is not a doctrine for you, but may have a historical or spiritual application. If it is historical then it wont apply to you. If it is has a spiritual application but not Doctrinal or Historical, that is what you will practice and follow.

O.I.A. is the best way to keep from misunderstanding and misapplying scripture. Without it you will be left at the mercy of others to tell you what it means or how it applies. 2 Timothy 2:15 is clearly to be applied to all men 2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Ok.

[Silver07]

Enough with the philosophy and abstract statements already.