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The Rothschild's are telling us something
04-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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The Rothschild's are telling us something
simple explanation and background here
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ROTHSCHILDS KNOW?

FIRST THE BACKGROUND.

WE DO KNOW THAT THE HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD LEFT THE GOLD TRADING BUSINESS IN 2004!

This was the most significant event in the Gold community in modern history!

For some 85 years, the Merchant Bank of NM Rothschild set the price of Gold bullion in London.

The House of Rothschild made most of its fortune in Gold Trading for over 200 years. We may safely assume that the Rothschilds know how to trade Gold! 

Yet, NM Rothschild chose to leave the Gold business on April 15, 2004. 

THE QUESTION IS WHY?

Fortunately for us, The Chairman of NM Rothschild gave a very clear, simple explanation for this "stunning" decision. 

Harsh reality

"While the whole process harks to a bygone age, the economics of the modern gold market are far less quaint.Many producers are no longer hedging their exposure to both currency and commodity price movements and that has taken a large chunk of business off the table"

According to bank chairman David de Rothschild, "our income from commodities trading in London has fallen as a percentage of our total income in each of the past five years"."We have concluded that this is no longer a core area of activity and have, therefore, decided to withdraw from the market."  

The other surprise that surfaced during this "major" event was the statement by David de Rothschild about the lack of hedging in the gold producers.We have heard so many times that the Gold majors are hurting the price of Gold by hedging.Yet the head of the NM Rothschild Merchant Bank says the lack of hedging is the primary reason for the Rothschild bank to exit Gold.

What would the Rothschilds know about Gold anyway? They only created the London Gold Fixing!

Perhaps the Rothschilds leaving the London Gold Market was something to do with event of March 18, 2009 when the Gold Futures Market completely failed to anticipate the Cash market.

The Futures are supposed to anticipate the cash market, or they lose their value for forecasting the trend of that commodity! The Rothschilds anticipated this failure by identifying a very negative factor emerging in Gold.

Without significant hedging activity, there is no real discipline in a market. It has become a game of liars poker between the speculators. The real ROI has gone down for traders, because the volatility is eating up too much of the "normal" profit in each price swing! The impact of the Rothschild revelation did confirm that the Commercials are out of the market leaving only speculators in the report.Would you rely on the judgment of a speculator?

Markets prefer the judgment of a Commercial, as their judgments are based on solid facts that they observe in the course of running their businesses.The Rothschilds showed that they would rather avoid the House Flippers experience.

Notice that NM Rothschild did not ask for government bailout for a good reason. They take the management of their bank very seriously. Should they wipe out their equity, they wipe themselves out.

Perhaps there is a good lessen here. Professional managers reporting to their cronies on the Board of Directors may not be a good idea. Certainly the Rothschilds would never make such a blunder with their assets.The Rothschilds have always been surrounded by their detractors, but they keep making good decisions, generation after generation.

Perhaps their exit from the Gold Market is worth copying for people without the Rothschild’s experience, and information. After all, NM Rothschild is the only survivor of the Original Five that made London the center of Gold and Silver trading for the world. The others have all failed, and have sold out to corporations for their survival. We know that the Gold Futures market is too risky for most individuals! And NM Rothschild apparently felt that it was too risky for them, at least visibly! Could they have been manipulated to leave the LBMA ? ill answer that in a follow up post.

APRIL 2012

Now Baron David de Rothschild is set to close the final chapter in the reunification of his sprawling family dynasty.

The 69-year-old chairman of the Rothschild group is bringing together its French and UK assets under the roof of Paris Orléans, a French listed entity with its roots in a 19th-century railway company.The move will mark the last step in a process that started a decade ago of integrating the French banking operations with NM Rothschild.

The 200-year-old banks will be reunited under a single shareholding that will bring together the fortunes of the French and English sides of the renowned family as they attempt to safeguard the business against the effects of new regulation and the fallout from the global financial crisis.

Paris Orleans, the Rothschild Group’s Paris-based holding company, will convert into a French limited partnership, securing the families’ control of the bank against potential takeovers. The new partnership will then buy out minority investors in NM Rothschild & Sons, the UK business, as well as outstanding minority interests in the French operations.

The Reuters stated on April 5, 2012 that the family aims to boost regulatory capital at a time when the investment-banking industry is fighting to adapt to tougher regulation and economic slowdown in Europe. David de Rothschild, who will become chairman of the merged group, is quoted by the FT as saying the restructuring would “allow the group to become more competitive against rivals while ensuring the family’s control over the group in the long-term.”

Mr de Rothschild is a descendant of Baron James de Rothschild, who established the family’s Paris-based bank 200 years ago.

Changing the ownership structure is aimed at helping Rothschild meet the Basel III capital standards that will require banks to maintain a minimum core capital ratio of 7pc. Rothschild said its regulatory capital would be “significantly enhanced” through the merger.

According to Telegraph Financial News Paris Orleans has a market value of more than €500m (£415m) and is about 30pc owned by outside investors. Rothschild is offering €17 per share to minority investors, a small premium to the company’s current market price.

£415m ????? thats very small potatoes so why do I go on about Rothchilds as being important ???

What I must point out here is a recent article in the London Financial Times indicated why it is impossible to gain an accurate estimate of the wealth of the trillionaire bankers. Discussing the sale of Evelyn Rothschild's stake in Rothschild Continuation Holdings, it states: ...this requires agreement on the valuation of privately held assets whose value has never been tested in a public market. Most of these assets are held in a complex network of tax-efficient structures around the World.

Queen Elizabeth II's shareholdings remain hidden behind Bank of England Nominee accounts. The Guardian newspaper reported in May 2002 ... "the reason for the wild variations in valuations of her private wealth can be pinned on the secrecy over her portfolio of share investments. This is because her subjects have no way of knowing through a public register of interests where she, as their head of state, chooses to invest her money. Unlike the members of the Commons and now the Lords, the Queen does not have to annually declare her interests and as a result her subjects cannot question her or know about potential conflicts of interests..." In fact, the Queen even has an extra mechanism to ensure that her investments remain secret - a nominee company called the Bank of England Nominees. It has been available for decades to the entire World's current heads of state to allow them anonymity when buying shares. Therefore, when a company publishes a share register and the Bank of England Nominees is listed, it is not possible to gauge whether the Queen, President Bush or even Saddam Hussein is the true shareholder.

By this method, the trillionaire masters of the universe remain hidden whilst Forbes magazine poses lower ranking billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett as the richest men in the World. Retired management consultant Gaylon Ross Sr, author of Who's Who of the Global Elite, has been tipped from a private source that the combined wealth of the Rockefeller family in 1998 was approx (US) $11 trillion and the Rothschilds (U.S.) $100 trillion.

Another accounting for the Rothschild Wealth and Influence

Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today's dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)

To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks:

A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world
U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion
U.S. debt is currently ( 1997 )$5.4 trillion.
U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion.
George Soros' empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.

And that was over a decade ago. How much do you think it is now ?


The Rothchilds are definitely sending a message out with their merger, what it pertains to is I suspect the first early signs that the financial banking easy money paradigm has ended its peak and from here its downhill. In what form remains to be seen. The Rothchilds are consolidating and hunkering down that much is obvious. My bet is they are preparing for the coming storm and will be one of the few still standing when the dust clears. I suspect they are distancing themselves from the stigma of financial business and withdrawing further into the shadows...for now. They are already by far the wealthiest family on the planet having never made disastrous business decisions I see no reason why the estimated fortunes are not if anything conservative compared to the truth. Im also betting they are one of the biggest private holders in gold and probably silver as well on the planet, although there won't be any way to confirm it but after all when you set up own and run the LBMA for 85 years thats not exactly hard to hide.

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04-10-2012, 04:36 PM
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Did Gordon Brown Sell UK’s Gold To Keep AIG And Rothschild Solvent

In the neverending saga of new disclosure of gold price manipulation, In front of 3 witnesses, Bank of England Governor Eddie George spoke to Nicholas J. Morrell (CEO of Lonmin Plc) after the Washington Agreement gold price explosion in Sept/Oct 1999. Mr. George said “We looked into the abyss if the gold price rose further. A further rise would have taken down one or several trading houses, which might have taken down all the rest in their wake. Therefore at any price, at any cost, the central banks had to quell the gold price, manage it. It was very difficult to get the gold price under control but we have now succeeded. The US Fed was very active in getting the gold price down. So was the U.K.” Makes one wonder just how much the gold price was pushed down today alone to make Gordon Brown’s most recent budget reception a little more palatable. It also confirms yet again, that there is no such thing as an unmanipulated gold market. Lastly, it demands the question: on how many other occasions has the UK’s massively unpopular prime minister sacrificed his people’s interest merely to make criminal organizations such as AIG whole?

Gordon Brown sold UK’s gold at the lowest price in the past 20 years, a thorny topic touched upon by the Telegraph, simply to bail out mega banking empire Rothschild and, surprise, AIG, as well as who knows how many other members of the LBMA:

There is also a credible speculation that the sale was designed to benefit a few of the London based bullion banks which were heavily short the precious metals, and were looking for a push down in price and a boost in supply to cover their positions and avoid a default. The unlikely names mentioned were AIG, which was trading heavily in precious metals, and the House of Rothschild.

The terms of the bailout was that once their positions were covered, they were to leave the LBMA, the largest physical bullion market in the world.

“LONDON,
June 1, 2004 (Reuters) — AIG International Ltd., part of American International Group Inc., will no longer be a London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) market maker in gold and silver, the LBMA said on Tuesday.”

LONDON, April 14, 2004 (Reuters) —
NM Rothschild & Sons Ltd., the London-based unit of investment bank Rothschild, will withdraw from trading commodities, including gold, in London as it reviews its operations, it said on Wednesday.

The manner in which the sale was conducted, and the speed at which it was undertaken, without consultation of the Bank of England, made many of the City of London’s financiers a bit uneasy.

While this had been reported previously many times, most notably by Ron Paul back in 2002, it does beg the question under what circumstances will the Federal Reserve finally acknowledge that it is constantly manipulating gold prices lower to benefit JPM and other members of the LBMA whose short positions will likely blow them if the fair price of gold is attained, but also when will “gold bugs” finally stop being ridiculed for their assertions that the gold market is manipulated in light of glaring evidence on a day to day basis.

As for Brown, the Telegraph says it all:

The decision to sell the gold – taken by Mr Brown when he was Chancellor – is regarded as one of the Treasury’s worst financial mistakes and has cost taxpayers almost £10 billion.

Mr Brown and the Treasury repeatedly refused to disclose information about the gold sale amid allegations that warnings were ignored following a series of freedom of information requests from The Daily Telegraph over the past five years, nothing was ever released.

The NY Fed will manipulate any and every market it can get its hands on.

Here is Ron Paul’s seminal 2002 Valentine’s Day speech:

Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
February 14, 2002

Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Monetary Freedom and Accountability Act. This simple bill takes a step toward restoring Congress’ constitutional authority over U.S. monetary policy by requiring congressional approval before
the President or the Treasury secretary buys or sells gold.

Federal dealings in the gold market have the potential to seriously disrupt the free market by either artificially inflating or deflating the price of gold. Given gold’s importance to America’s (and the world’s) monetary system, any federal interference in the gold market will have ripple effects through the entire economy. For example, if the government were to intervene to artificially lower the price of gold, the result would be to hide the true effects of an inflationary policy until the damage was too severe to remain out of the public eye.

By artificially deflating the price of gold, federal intervention in the gold market can reduce the values of private gold holdings, adversely affecting millions of investors. These investors rely on their gold holdings to protect them from the effects of our misguided fiat currency system. Federal dealings in gold can also adversely affect those countries with large gold mines, many of which are currently ravished by extreme poverty. Mr. Speaker, restoring a vibrant gold market could do more than any foreign aid program to restore economic growth to those areas.

While the Treasury denies it is dealing in gold, the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA) has uncovered evidence suggesting that the Federal Reserve and the Treasury, operating through the Exchange-Stabilization Fund and in cooperation with major banks and the International Monetary Fund, have been interfering in the gold market with the goal of lowering the price of gold. The purpose of this policy has been to disguise the true effects of the monetary bubble responsible for the artificial prosperity of the 1990s, and to protect the politically-powerful banks that are heavy invested in gold derivatives. GATA believes federal actions to drive down the price of gold help protect the profits of these banks at the expense of investors, consumers, and taxpayers around the world.

GATA has also produced evidence that American officials are involved in gold transactions. Alan Greenspan himself referred to the federal government’s power to manipulate the price of gold at hearings before the House Banking Committee and the Senate Agricultural Committee in July, 1998: “Nor can private counterparts restrict supplies of gold, another commodity whose derivatives are often traded over-the-counter, where central banks stand ready to lease gold in increasing quantities should the price rise.” [Emphasis added].

Mr. Speaker, in order to allow my colleagues to learn more about this issue, I am enclosing “All that Glitters is Not Gold” by Kelly Patricia O’Meara, an investigative reporter from Insight magazine. This article explains in detail GATA’s allegations of federal involvement in the gold market.

Mr. Speaker, while I certainly share GATA’s concerns over the effects of federal dealings in the gold market, my bill in no way interferes with the ability of the federal government to buy or sell gold. It simply requires that before the executive branch engages in such transactions, Congress has the chance to review it, debate it, and approve it.

Given the tremendous effects on the American economy from federal dealings in the gold market, it certainly is reasonable that the people’s representatives have a role in approving these transactions, especially since Congress has a neglected but vital constitutional role in overseeing monetary policy. Therefore, I urge all my colleagues to stand up for sound economics, open government, and Congress’ constitutional role in monetary policy by cosponsoring the Monetary Freedom and Accountability Act.

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04-10-2012, 05:01 PM
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You do know that Bullionvault is Rothschild owned don't you?
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04-10-2012, 05:33 PM
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(04-10-2012 05:01 PM)II DALTON II Wrote:  You do know that Bullionvault is Rothschild owned don't you?

Are you serious?
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04-10-2012, 05:38 PM
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(04-10-2012 05:01 PM)II DALTON II Wrote:  You do know that Bullionvault is Rothschild owned don't you?

Not for certain no and I haven't been able to confirm the connection if you can id be very interested but I suspected it might be along with quite a few other real big players in the private bullion market. You don't deal in bullion for nigh on 100 years and get out entirely at exactly the point its starting to really take off. You might cover your paper positions and reduce the risk though and go into private bullion trading and sales.

Seems perfectly logical and typical Rothchild would move from paper market trading to solid metal trading and sales very early to establish themselves as a major player in that market.

For me JPM, Goldman Sachs etc are the frontline stooges, highly visible and very high risk, run by greedy money chasers with ultimately no loyalty to each other. Rothchild are on an entirely different level they are a family business with very strong family loyalty and operate almost totally in the shadows. They aren't in the news, they aren't on peoples radar and have quietly exited stage left long before the ship hits the iceberg. Chalk and Cheese.

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04-10-2012, 06:41 PM
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Some links.

Lord Rothschild fund joins World Gold Council to put £12.5m into BullionVault

Galmarley Limited

Bullionvault

This is not to say that Bullionvault are shady at all. I'm familiar with their Editor and Researcher and they are sound guys. They're affiliates of mine.
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04-10-2012, 06:58 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2012 06:58 PM by victor kruger.)
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Thanks

Oh im not saying Bullionvault are shady, on the contrary Rothchilds have done exactly what youd expect a world leader in their market to do. Exit early, reposition and do it modestly and quietly as possible.

I like bullionvault and knowing Rothchilds are a major player only adds credibility not takes it away.

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04-10-2012, 08:24 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2012 08:25 PM by slow to learn.)
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Victor, you speak as if you admire the Rothschild's? They are the scum of the earth! They didn't create the Central banking system but they defined it to what it is today. They would lead you to believe that they are just rich retired old men but they are the king pin in the Central banking cartel. There money was stolen from most every nations people on this earth though monetary policies that there central banks created. They rob nations of there wealth though the inflationary and deflationary cyclones that there monetary policies create! They create money from debt only to have that nations hard working people use there taxes and resources to pay it back! There money funded almost every cooperation during the industrial Revelation! And they are still indebted to them today. They are the head of the Elitist family! They single Handel are responsible for the debacle we face today. They are chewing us up and spiting us out and when we are at our lowest they with own all our wealth and resources though the central banks who every nation on earth owe there sole!
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04-10-2012, 08:33 PM
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I think victor's point is that the family is very good at making money and now that they have loads of it, anything they put their weight behind is going to succeed based on historical performance. So if they support something, it's a good bet investing in it is going to pay off.(roughly speaking)

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04-10-2012, 10:08 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2012 10:43 PM by victor kruger.)
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(04-10-2012 08:24 PM)slow to learn Wrote:  Victor, you speak as if you admire the Rothschild's? They are the scum of the earth! They didn't create the Central banking system but they defined it to what it is today. They would lead you to believe that they are just rich retired old men but they are the king pin in the Central banking cartel. There money was stolen from most every nations people on this earth though monetary policies that there central banks created. They rob nations of there wealth though the inflationary and deflationary cyclones that there monetary policies create! They create money from debt only to have that nations hard working people use there taxes and resources to pay it back! There money funded almost every cooperation during the industrial Revelation! And they are still indebted to them today. They are the head of the Elitist family! They single Handel are responsible for the debacle we face today. They are chewing us up and spiting us out and when we are at our lowest they with own all our wealth and resources though the central banks who every nation on earth owe there sole!

I think you meant the Industrial revolution Wink

You read me wrong m8 and ive been aware of Rothchilds background and role for a very very long time. when I say they are in a totally different league I mean it, they are. The capstone in fact.

Admire as in what sense ? as a fellow human being no, as a Dynasty that has been allowed to permeate the entire globe, topple regimes and fool the whole world as to their influence, control, wealth and real importance ? heck yea the subtlety is on a level all of its own. You may not like them and what they stand for any more than I but I can at least acknowledge the guile and deft hand that has been moving things so quietly and purposely around the past century or so and amassing that wealth and power. Yet still even today 99.999% are blissfully unaware of the magnitude. Heck im also willing to bet 99.9% of the western world hasn't even heard of them and still think they are a brand of cigarette ( they are sometimes confused with Rothmans lol ) You don't hear about them much anywhere and that's exactly what id expect.

They have built their empire on the greed of others and fully exploited it, more fool everyone else, to spit and snarl at what they have done helps no one. To be aware of the role they play and wealth they continue to hide via covert means was and is the point of this thread.

Even Rothchild's cannot hide their movements entirely in this current age which is great. You can ignore them as they would like or keep an eye on what they are up to as much as is possible. I prefer the latter and don't waste my time hating on them. Rather I like to keep an eye on them but its hard and why im gratefull when i pick up some info.

The following rumour cannot be substantiated but has been followed since the 90s and sure enough they have been picked off one by one, coincidence or not ? make your own minds up.

Countries labeled as “rogue states” by the U.S. in the late 1990s were Iran, Syria, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Afganistan, Yugoslavia and Sudan.

IS THERE A CORELATION BETWEEN THE LACK OF CONTROL OF A NATION’S ECONOMY BY INTERNATIONAL ELITES AND U.S. AGGRESSION—ECONOMIC, POLITICAL OR MILITARY ?
No private Central Bank (1990s) Iraq Iran Afghanista Cuba North Korea Syria Yugoslavia Libya Sudan
Rogue States (1990s) Iraq Iran Afghanistan Cuba North Korea Syria Yugoslavia Libya Sudan

Remember the Baltic wars & what happened to Yugoslavia ? Syria is suspected during the 90s to have succumbed.

As of the year 2000, there were seven countries without a Rothschild-owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran

Then along came the convenient terror of 9-11 and soon Iraq and Afghanistan had been added to the list, leaving only five countries without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family:

Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran

National Bank of Sudan is a private bank, Agreements between the Sudanese Government and the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Sudan after 25 years of civil war in southern Sudan were issued by the Central Bank of Sudan Act (Amendment) Act 2006, select the nature of the banking system and the bank and its branches so that the Bank is the banking system and the Sudanese dual banking system Islamic one in the north of Sudan and the other traditional in southern Sudan.
The bank National Bank of Sudan as of the year 2006 has become considered one of the strongest banking systems operating in Sudan, after the administration is run and managed by Lebanon's Banque Audi, which has about 76.56% shareholding.

We all know how fast the Central Bank of Benghazi in Libya was set up.The first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.

Robert Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal thinks the central banking initiative reveals that foreign powers may have a strong influence over the rebels !!! no kidding, to open a central bank 2 weeks into a rebellion somewhere like Libya should say something to you.

The only countries left in 2012 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:

Cuba, North Korea, Iran.

Cuba has very possibly succumbed and North Korea very likely in the near future now the boy is in charge.

Leaving the best to last ~Iran~

Seven of the ten largest Islamic banks in the world are in Iran. Leave you any illusions about what is going to happen there ?

~To understand the importance of Islamic banking and the threat it poses you must understand the principles.They don’t charge interest (Shariah Law), they are growing very rapidly, and (in these catastrophic economic times) they are more stable than western banks.

Much more info here http://www.puppet99.com/?p=218 I would like the Christian contingency here to view that link in order they can understand better the demonising of Islam in the past 15 years or so and what it is really about. ~Ill give you a hint, it has nothing to do with boogymen in black balaclavas or dresses coming to rape your children or bombing your schools or buildings nor the Koran.

Mojo is correct in that if Rothchilds is into bullionvault it is very unlikely whilst there is Rothchild involvement to be a bad option. Morals aside if i had investments in bullionvault ( which I don't ) having the Rothchilds involved would reassure me on a purely business financial security basis. That dosn't mean they wouldnt flip the thing upside down if it suited them to but im willing to bet they are are far far smarter than that. In fact im willing to bet that a very high % of anyone stacking PM and many many other investments will have a % of their money finding its way back into the families coffers in one form or another and has been so for a very very long time.

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04-10-2012, 10:54 PM
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It is apparent that Victor doesn't "idolize" them, but is more along the lines of appreciation in the sense that they have been successful in so many ways. He is trying to understand his enemy and strives to know who they are and figure them out. To better understand your foe, you have to know your foe and that is his goal (IMO). I don't think his purpose is to demonize anyone at all, just to simply point out what camp everyone is sitting in.. and give them the information so they can decide if they should stay or find a new "tent'. My gut tells me that information is what Victor thrives on, nothing else and no "swaying" involved. He just wants to know the truth.

I may be wrong.. but I can assure you that Victor will let me know if he thinks so! Smile Of that, I am certain! Big Grin
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04-10-2012, 10:59 PM
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Old story. There are "factions" at play. Trade with caution

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04-10-2012, 11:02 PM
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(04-10-2012 08:33 PM)Mojofabulous Wrote:  I think victor's point is that the family is very good at making money and now that they have loads of it, anything they put their weight behind is going to succeed based on historical performance. So if they support something, it's a good bet investing in it is going to pay off.(roughly speaking)

The Rothschild's have moved on towards "greener" pastures.

They are the "core powerplant" behind the global depopulization agenda thru their fronts at the UN with sustainability via "Agenda 21"....their new business model with weather "monitoring" (read: management techniques)...his son is heading up the "Global Warming" climate control farce green movements....and the new push for global governance thru the "Carbon Footprint Taxation" directives.

A myriad of agendas with one true goal.....reduce the population....then manage their "slave livestock" in their envisioned neo-feudalism utopia.

They have a long list of "Change Agents" carefully placed within the constructs of the western govts....pushing their agendas....they are your "Slave Masters"

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04-10-2012, 11:13 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2012 11:14 PM by victor kruger.)
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You are correct Honey. Other than the usual illuminate links to the Rothschilds which to me is as plain as day i'm fascinated by other links they "allegedly" have.

Does the name Julian Assange ring a bell ?

Claimed links between Wikileaks and the international Rothschild network:

–a sister-in-law and second cousin of the Rothschilds posted bail for Julian Assange
–The Economist (a Rothschild magazine) gave Assange its New Media Award in 2008
–Wikileaks used the law firm Fox Rothschild to overturn a judge’s ruling to order a web host to shut down the Wikileaks site
– The Guardian and The New York Times, two of Assange’s media partners, are linked to the Rothschilds
–the owner of the mansion where Assange was eventually put under house arrest has links to Rothschilds
–Assange’s lawyer is also Rothschilds’ lawyer
–US Senator Joe Lieberman who was ultimately responsible for making Assange the largest media personality of the decade, is a member of the Council On Foreign Relations (a Rothschild organization)

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04-10-2012, 11:32 PM
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Amschel Rothchild was a Knight of Malta, which is a very powerful Catholic secret society. Notice the Maltese cross. The Rothchilds are the keepers of the Vatican treasury. If they were at the top you wouldn't know about them, their family name would not be prominently displayed on any Google search. The families at the top of the pyramid don't make the nightly news, and their names aren't plastered all over the internet.

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04-10-2012, 11:50 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2012 11:54 PM by victor kruger.)
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RE: The Rothschild's are telling us something
Very true Ag Heres one of my favorites, any ozzies, kiwis or Canadians out there look away now

Ever wondered why the queens head still appears on the currency ? Angel

It is accurate to posit that Australia, New Zealand and Canada are not independent, sovereign countries. However, these nations are not owned and run by the UK; they are owned and run by the House of Windsor Crown Temple syndicate within the City of London Corporation. The head signatory of the Crown Temple syndicate is Elizabeth Windsor (Queen Elizabeth II of England).

It should not be forgotten that the most powerful financial syndicate in the Western World is that of the European Rothschilds. The Rothschilds, because of their power base inside the City of London Corporation, have a controlling membership of the London Crown Temple syndicate, and they also have executive control of the Vatican and the Mafia though the P2 Masonic Lodge in Italy.

The financial affairs of the new UK coalition government in London are also Rothschild-controlled. The line management here is understood to be Jacob Rothschild > Nathaniel Rothschild (N.M.Rothschild & Sons Limited, New Court, St Swithin's Lane, London EC4P 4DU) > Oliver Letwin > George Osborne (British Chancellor of the Exchequer).

Queen Elizabeth II fronts for the Rothschilds. She is the largest landowner on Earth. She is Head of State of the United Kingdom and of thirty one other states and territories, and is the legal owner of 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the Earth's land surface. A conservative estimate of the value of the Crown Temple syndicate's land holding, under the Queen's signature, is £17.6 trillion.

The Queen's syndicate land holdings are based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in each of those countries. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on Earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on Earth with 1,900 million acres, Papua New Guinea with114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres, and the UK with 60 million acres.

Elizabeth Windsor and her covert syndicate in London are the world's largest landowners by a significant margin. To put this in perspective. The next largest landowner is the Russian state, with an overall ownership of 4,219 million acres, and a direct ownership comparable with the Queen's land holding of 2,447 million acres. The 3rd largest landowner is the Chinese state, which claims all of Chinese land, about 2,365 million acres.

The 4th largest landowner on Earth is often said to be the Federal Government of the United States, which owns about one third of the land area of the USA, 760 million acres. However, this Washington DC private corporation Federal Estate is actually owned and controlled by the London Crown Temple syndicate. Indeed, at the present time, the London syndicate in partnership with an old family Chinese syndicate, hold, and have activated, a $47 trillion World Court Writ of Execution and Lien on the US Treasury and the US Federal Reserve Board.

The five largest "personal" landowners on Earth, at present, are Queen Elizabeth II of England (6,600 million acres), King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (553 million acres), King Bhumibol of Thailand (126 million acres), King Mohammed IV of Morocco (113 million acres) and Sultan Quaboos of Oman (76 million acres). In reality, however, these named individuals are just the head signatories of old bloodline syndicates which act corporately through hidden family trusts.

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04-11-2012, 12:16 AM
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Although I'm not familiar with the author of that piece I don't put any stock in Henry Makow's conspiracy theories, or probably anyone he features on his website.
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For sure, I should have added allegedly Big Grin

Heres one of the funniest if not scary monarchy links with pics Blush

Royal blood ?

I really do have to check some of the family trees, it shouldn't be too hard and would be interesting if all the links havn't been erased yet

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I am learning a lot here thanks everyone! Victor I admire your knowlage, I wish I had some of that!
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02-26-2013, 08:56 AM
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RE: The Rothschild's are telling us something
(04-10-2012 06:58 PM)victor kruger Wrote:  Thanks

Oh im not saying Bullionvault are shady, on the contrary Rothchilds have done exactly what youd expect a world leader in their market to do. Exit early, reposition and do it modestly and quietly as possible.

I like bullionvault and knowing Rothchilds are a major player only adds credibility not takes it away.

Yes I like bullionvault too. The main concerns when choosing a company like this is do they have the physical to back up the paper or digital claims.

The Rothchilds supposedly still have large bunkers full of shiny stuff hidden under some of their castles in England. But who would know the truth about such things?

And just because paper or digital claims can be backed by physical, this does not mean the people who have claims on the bullion will ever be able to get possession of it. Whoever holds the gold makes the rules.
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02-26-2013, 10:06 AM
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(04-10-2012 11:02 PM)AgShaman Wrote:  [quote='Mojofabulous' pid='8460' dateline='1334108011']

They are the "core powerplant" behind the global depopulization agenda thru their fronts at the UN with sustainability via "Agenda 21"....their new business model with weather "monitoring" (read: management techniques)...his son is heading up the "Global Warming" climate control farce green movements....and the new push for global governance thru the "Carbon Footprint Taxation" directives. " -AgShaman

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02-26-2013, 11:33 AM
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In debt and death they trust.
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02-26-2013, 06:25 PM
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RE: The Rothschild's are telling us something
(04-10-2012 04:12 PM)victor kruger Wrote:  simple explanation and background here
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ROTHSCHILDS KNOW?

FIRST THE BACKGROUND.

WE DO KNOW THAT THE HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD LEFT THE GOLD TRADING BUSINESS IN 2004!

This was the most significant event in the Gold community in modern history!

For some 85 years, the Merchant Bank of NM Rothschild set the price of Gold bullion in London.

The House of Rothschild made most of its fortune in Gold Trading for over 200 years. We may safely assume that the Rothschilds know how to trade Gold! 

Yet, NM Rothschild chose to leave the Gold business on April 15, 2004. 

THE QUESTION IS WHY?

Fortunately for us, The Chairman of NM Rothschild gave a very clear, simple explanation for this "stunning" decision. 

Harsh reality

"While the whole process harks to a bygone age, the economics of the modern gold market are far less quaint.Many producers are no longer hedging their exposure to both currency and commodity price movements and that has taken a large chunk of business off the table"

According to bank chairman David de Rothschild, "our income from commodities trading in London has fallen as a percentage of our total income in each of the past five years"."We have concluded that this is no longer a core area of activity and have, therefore, decided to withdraw from the market."  

The other surprise that surfaced during this "major" event was the statement by David de Rothschild about the lack of hedging in the gold producers.We have heard so many times that the Gold majors are hurting the price of Gold by hedging.Yet the head of the NM Rothschild Merchant Bank says the lack of hedging is the primary reason for the Rothschild bank to exit Gold.

What would the Rothschilds know about Gold anyway? They only created the London Gold Fixing!

Perhaps the Rothschilds leaving the London Gold Market was something to do with event of March 18, 2009 when the Gold Futures Market completely failed to anticipate the Cash market.

The Futures are supposed to anticipate the cash market, or they lose their value for forecasting the trend of that commodity! The Rothschilds anticipated this failure by identifying a very negative factor emerging in Gold.

Without significant hedging activity, there is no real discipline in a market. It has become a game of liars poker between the speculators. The real ROI has gone down for traders, because the volatility is eating up too much of the "normal" profit in each price swing! The impact of the Rothschild revelation did confirm that the Commercials are out of the market leaving only speculators in the report.Would you rely on the judgment of a speculator?

Markets prefer the judgment of a Commercial, as their judgments are based on solid facts that they observe in the course of running their businesses.The Rothschilds showed that they would rather avoid the House Flippers experience.

Notice that NM Rothschild did not ask for government bailout for a good reason. They take the management of their bank very seriously. Should they wipe out their equity, they wipe themselves out.

Perhaps there is a good lessen here. Professional managers reporting to their cronies on the Board of Directors may not be a good idea. Certainly the Rothschilds would never make such a blunder with their assets.The Rothschilds have always been surrounded by their detractors, but they keep making good decisions, generation after generation.

Perhaps their exit from the Gold Market is worth copying for people without the Rothschild’s experience, and information. After all, NM Rothschild is the only survivor of the Original Five that made London the center of Gold and Silver trading for the world. The others have all failed, and have sold out to corporations for their survival. We know that the Gold Futures market is too risky for most individuals! And NM Rothschild apparently felt that it was too risky for them, at least visibly! Could they have been manipulated to leave the LBMA ? ill answer that in a follow up post.

APRIL 2012

Now Baron David de Rothschild is set to close the final chapter in the reunification of his sprawling family dynasty.

The 69-year-old chairman of the Rothschild group is bringing together its French and UK assets under the roof of Paris Orléans, a French listed entity with its roots in a 19th-century railway company.The move will mark the last step in a process that started a decade ago of integrating the French banking operations with NM Rothschild.

The 200-year-old banks will be reunited under a single shareholding that will bring together the fortunes of the French and English sides of the renowned family as they attempt to safeguard the business against the effects of new regulation and the fallout from the global financial crisis.

Paris Orleans, the Rothschild Group’s Paris-based holding company, will convert into a French limited partnership, securing the families’ control of the bank against potential takeovers. The new partnership will then buy out minority investors in NM Rothschild & Sons, the UK business, as well as outstanding minority interests in the French operations.

The Reuters stated on April 5, 2012 that the family aims to boost regulatory capital at a time when the investment-banking industry is fighting to adapt to tougher regulation and economic slowdown in Europe. David de Rothschild, who will become chairman of the merged group, is quoted by the FT as saying the restructuring would “allow the group to become more competitive against rivals while ensuring the family’s control over the group in the long-term.”

Mr de Rothschild is a descendant of Baron James de Rothschild, who established the family’s Paris-based bank 200 years ago.

Changing the ownership structure is aimed at helping Rothschild meet the Basel III capital standards that will require banks to maintain a minimum core capital ratio of 7pc. Rothschild said its regulatory capital would be “significantly enhanced” through the merger.

According to Telegraph Financial News Paris Orleans has a market value of more than €500m (£415m) and is about 30pc owned by outside investors. Rothschild is offering €17 per share to minority investors, a small premium to the company’s current market price.

£415m ????? thats very small potatoes so why do I go on about Rothchilds as being important ???

What I must point out here is a recent article in the London Financial Times indicated why it is impossible to gain an accurate estimate of the wealth of the trillionaire bankers. Discussing the sale of Evelyn Rothschild's stake in Rothschild Continuation Holdings, it states: ...this requires agreement on the valuation of privately held assets whose value has never been tested in a public market. Most of these assets are held in a complex network of tax-efficient structures around the World.

Queen Elizabeth II's shareholdings remain hidden behind Bank of England Nominee accounts. The Guardian newspaper reported in May 2002 ... "the reason for the wild variations in valuations of her private wealth can be pinned on the secrecy over her portfolio of share investments. This is because her subjects have no way of knowing through a public register of interests where she, as their head of state, chooses to invest her money. Unlike the members of the Commons and now the Lords, the Queen does not have to annually declare her interests and as a result her subjects cannot question her or know about potential conflicts of interests..." In fact, the Queen even has an extra mechanism to ensure that her investments remain secret - a nominee company called the Bank of England Nominees. It has been available for decades to the entire World's current heads of state to allow them anonymity when buying shares. Therefore, when a company publishes a share register and the Bank of England Nominees is listed, it is not possible to gauge whether the Queen, President Bush or even Saddam Hussein is the true shareholder.

By this method, the trillionaire masters of the universe remain hidden whilst Forbes magazine poses lower ranking billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett as the richest men in the World. Retired management consultant Gaylon Ross Sr, author of Who's Who of the Global Elite, has been tipped from a private source that the combined wealth of the Rockefeller family in 1998 was approx (US) $11 trillion and the Rothschilds (U.S.) $100 trillion.

Another accounting for the Rothschild Wealth and Influence

Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today's dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)

To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks:

A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world
U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion
U.S. debt is currently ( 1997 )$5.4 trillion.
U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion.
George Soros' empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.

And that was over a decade ago. How much do you think it is now ?


The Rothchilds are definitely sending a message out with their merger, what it pertains to is I suspect the first early signs that the financial banking easy money paradigm has ended its peak and from here its downhill. In what form remains to be seen. The Rothchilds are consolidating and hunkering down that much is obvious. My bet is they are preparing for the coming storm and will be one of the few still standing when the dust clears. I suspect they are distancing themselves from the stigma of financial business and withdrawing further into the shadows...for now. They are already by far the wealthiest family on the planet having never made disastrous business decisions I see no reason why the estimated fortunes are not if anything conservative compared to the truth. Im also betting they are one of the biggest private holders in gold and probably silver as well on the planet, although there won't be any way to confirm it but after all when you set up own and run the LBMA for 85 years thats not exactly hard to hide.

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