Serious religious question...

[ManagerMatt]

How come so many religious people can see all the flaws, frauds, manipulation and corruption in government. But those same individuals are completely blinded to the same flaws, fraud, corruption and manipulation religion pushes on them?

This is a serious question, not trying to flame or offend anyone.

[agsilverbear]

I see plenty of flaws, fraud, corruption, and manipulation in organized religion. I'm a Bible-believing Christian but I don't belong to any organized religion.

[Chette]

Because we are sinners filled with fraud, corruption, flaws and manipulation as well as jealousies, sexual immoralities, service of our flesh in drug use and drunkenness, pride and arrogance. Preferring to blame others rather than take responsibilities for our faults and mistakes. It is all part of the sin nature we were given by that one man Adam (not Eve) Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:.

We need to be careful in judging others to harshly. we need to have grace towards others. Be willing to forgive without condition. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Remember it is not the governments that are corrupt or companies, it is the men that work and run them that are corrupt. so the issue comes down to the individual. Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


It is way easier to see it always in others but hard to see it in ourselves. God could see it in Cain. But Cain couldn't see it in himself Genesis 4:3-8 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. It is always easy for others to see sin in others but they can never see the sin that is in them. God who is perfect saw Cains sin and warned him. But Cain could not see the sin in him and he was ruled by it and he committed the first Murder. it has always been that man cannot see his heart and know it. Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

So when one comes to God through faith on Christ finished work of the cross for the atonement of his sin, he now has God to help him see the true condition of his heart. And with God's help people can change and see the sin they have. Eph 4:21-32 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

I am still on that journey after 19 plus years.

[Silver07]

(05-06-2012 11:27 PM)agsilverbear Wrote:  I see plenty of flaws, fraud, corruption, and manipulation in organized religion. I'm a Bible-believing Christian but I don't belong to any organized religion.

How is Christianity not a religion? And if you don't profess to being in the organized religion, how do your beliefs and practices differ?

[Silver07]

(05-06-2012 10:41 PM)ManagerMatt Wrote:  How come so many religious people can see all the flaws, frauds, manipulation and corruption in government. But those same individuals are completely blinded to the same flaws, fraud, corruption and manipulation religion pushes on them?

This is a serious question, not trying to flame or offend anyone.

A simple answer to your question is because man is flawed.

Religion is a creation of man. The bible doesn't teach you to be religious or in religion.

[ManagerMatt]

Silver07,

The bible was written by man too...

[ManagerMatt]

Chette,

Why dont you describe in your own words instead of someone else's...

[ManagerMatt]

The whole point of this was, people ignore the flaws in their religion (the Bible) yet they pick apart flaws in everything else...

[Chette]

(05-09-2012 11:29 PM)ManagerMatt Wrote:  Chette, Why dont you describe in your own words instead of someone else's...

Because my own words can be affected by my flawed and sinful heart which as quoted above is deceitful and wicked above measure. But God's words are not for his words are true, pure and trust worthy. Ps 119:140 ¶ Thy word [is] very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
Ps 119:160 ¶ Thy word [is] true [from] the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [endureth] for ever.
Joh 17:17 ¶ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Quote:The whole point of this was, people ignore the flaws in their religion (the Bible) yet they pick apart flaws in everything else...

I don't believe the AV Bible I am using is flawed. Not only that the Bible in and of itself is not a religion, there are two major groups who use it the Jews Religion and Christianity. And because I am a Bible believer And believe that my AV Bible is the preserved word of God and is the final authority for my life and godliness I quote it over my own words.

Now, if you go back and read it slowly, and look closely, you will see I did give my own words and use the Bible to support what I shared. That is what I beleive and it is what a godly man does with the word of God.

Here is the main reason why I quote the Bible, Ps 119:42 So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word. I have something to answer you with and I would rather that which I answer you be from God and not just from my heart.

I do not ignore the flaws in religion but I try my best to expose them. today many are not doing that.

I use God's word first to reveal the flaws in me. Every time I read through the Book of Proverbs I am rebuked of God. No matter how far I think I have gotten in my walk after reading that book I feel like I am still not very far in it. But praise God he does the work in me.

Please don't get me wrong. I believe the word of God and I want to use it in all areas of my life. I don't do so to look righteous if anything I do so because I am not righteous. In using God's words I show he is true and every man and the includes me, a liar. Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Ps 62:8, 9 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah. Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

I hope that you would use that same question to others who would quote Voltaire or Shakespear, Ann Rand or Stalin, Mao or Alinsky when giving explanations or answering a question.

I was just answering your question and it really should not matter if I use my words or that of another as long as my point gets across. right?

Was not your question answered justly and without judgement on you?

I showed that religions, governments or organizations (religious or otherwise) are as corrupt as the people that run them because they are sinners through and through.

In a way that is why I use the Bible so that my answer is not from a perverted sinner but from a holy God. And yes I am still living in this perverted ol' body of sin but one day, whether I die or am still alive, the Lord will change all that

[ManagerMatt]

The bible is written by man... that's a fact... It is flawed...

The fact you have to quote the bible for everything shows you don't think for yourself... That's no different than being brainwashed by a military, government, political parties or a cult...

Is there a god? Who knows, nobody knows for sure, many "hope" there is... The only Christians I have met who live their life according to the bible are the Amish people I know... The rest are hypocrites...

Why is it there is more evidence UFO's than "Jesus" but if you believe in UFOs your considered a nut job, but believing a story about a guy from 2000 years ago with no credible references is normal?

(05-10-2012 02:35 AM)Chette Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 11:29 PM)ManagerMatt Wrote:  Chette, Why dont you describe in your own words instead of someone else's...

Because my own words can be affected by my flawed and sinful heart which as quoted above is deceitful and wicked above measure. But God's words are not for his words are true, pure and trust worthy. Ps 119:140 ¶ Thy word [is] very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
Ps 119:160 ¶ Thy word [is] true [from] the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [endureth] for ever.
Joh 17:17 ¶ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Quote:The whole point of this was, people ignore the flaws in their religion (the Bible) yet they pick apart flaws in everything else...

I don't believe the AV Bible I am using is flawed. Not only that the Bible in and of itself is not a religion, there are two major groups who use it the Jews Religion and Christianity. And because I am a Bible believer And believe that my AV Bible is the preserved word of God and is the final authority for my life and godliness I quote it over my own words.

Now, if you go back and read it slowly, and look closely, you will see I did give my own words and use the Bible to support what I shared. That is what I beleive and it is what a godly man does with the word of God.

Here is the main reason why I quote the Bible, Ps 119:42 So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word. I have something to answer you with and I would rather that which I answer you be from God and not just from my heart.

I do not ignore the flaws in religion but I try my best to expose them. today many are not doing that.

I use God's word first to reveal the flaws in me. Every time I read through the Book of Proverbs I am rebuked of God. No matter how far I think I have gotten in my walk after reading that book I feel like I am still not very far in it. But praise God he does the work in me.

Please don't get me wrong. I believe the word of God and I want to use it in all areas of my life. I don't do so to look righteous if anything I do so because I am not righteous. In using God's words I show he is true and every man and the includes me, a liar. Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Ps 62:8, 9 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah. Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

I hope that you would use that same question to others who would quote Voltaire or Shakespear, Ann Rand or Stalin, Mao or Alinsky when giving explanations or answering a question.

I was just answering your question and it really should not matter if I use my words or that of another as long as my point gets across. right?

Was not your question answered justly and without judgement on you?

I showed that religions, governments or organizations (religious or otherwise) are as corrupt as the people that run them because they are sinners through and through.

In a way that is why I use the Bible so that my answer is not from a perverted sinner but from a holy God. And yes I am still living in this perverted ol' body of sin but one day, whether I die or am still alive, the Lord will change all that

[Silver07]

(05-09-2012 11:28 PM)ManagerMatt Wrote:  The bible is written by man... that's a fact... It is flawed...

I agree. Chette doesn't speak for everyone here.

I don't pretend to be perfect or have a flawless preserved translation.

Here's something for you to think about. Do you believe The Ark of the Covenant exists/existed? If so, who wrote it?

What it comes down to is your personal belief. Do you believe the bible to be true? For commonality, let's just use the King James version.

If you don't believe it to be true, then really, you don't believe in God or at least The God of the Holy Bible, which is Jesus or Yahshua.

[Chette]

Matthew, I though you were asking a serious question. I was giving a serious answer.

Now you don't have to accept the answer but to attack me saying I don't think for my self or I am no different than being "brainwashed" by the government is totally uncalled for and shows you were not looking for a serious answer to your serious question.

1Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

If a man does not have any final authority outside of him self them he is just doing what is right in his own eyes. And currently there is not King in Israel, that king is on his way but mean while this verse is still true. Jg 17:6 In those days [there was] no king in Israel, [but] every man did [that which was] right in his own eyes.

Many so called believers don't have a final authority because they do not believe that God kept his word/promise, by His own power, to preserved his word to every generation forever Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them (the them are his words mentioned in verse six), O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

This lack of faith of those who are supposed Bible believers or otherwise that god preserved his word has kept them in bondage to the doctrines of men such as those practiced by the Amish.

[Chette]

Plus Matt,

We are commanded to speak as the oracles of God. Oracles from the word oral and spoken. God's oral words were recorded and preserved for us today and we are to speak as the Oracles of God. And what better way than with the very oracles of God we have preserved for us in the AV Holy Bible.

1Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

To prove that the "oracles" is the holy scriptures here are other verses that should make it clear even for someone who does not believe the Bible. For the Bible says let a truth be established with two or three witnesses Matt 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2Cor 13:1 ¶ This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

So here are two or three witnesses of scripture that will establish the truth that the oracles of God are the Holy Scriptures.

Rom 3:1, 2 ¶ What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. what were committed to the Jews ? the words of God the holy scriptures.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: what were recieved of Israel in the wilderness? The words of God, the holy scriptures.

Heb 5:12-14 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, teachers of what? the word of God, the Holy Scriptures ye have need that one teach you again which the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness another term for the Holy Bible, the Holy Scriptures. : for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Exercised by what? the word of God, the Holy Bible, the Holy Scriptures.

Here is where people fail they do not have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Today evil is good and good evil they act as if there is no difference, they fail to compare spiritual things with spiritual to establish a truth for their lives. so in the end they want only a bunch of rules to follow but do them no good. Col 2:20-23 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

[Chette]

Quote:The bible is written by man... that's a fact... It is flawed...

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Timothy 3:16

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:21

God was in control of inspiring the word to men and they recorded it as they were inspired. Now as mentioned before if God kept his promise to preserve his word to every generation forever then there in ONE and only one Bible out there that is preserved.

the other versions are rewritten by men who were not holy men of God but rather godly scholars, who wrote about 350 plus different bible versions since 1830 and a majority of them were written in the last 100 years. these were flawed men who thought God needed their help to get his word straight. but their bibles are flawed, lacking, corrupt, incomplete and lacking any inspiration what so ever. I showed in a previous post how God preserved his word to the translators of the AV when I shared about the name of Jesus and that was how God inspires holy men to preserve his word.

Just because men who are sinners and faulty does not mean God will not use them if they will be humble. You will notice unlike any of the other 350 plus versions of the bibles out there the AV has no copyright (those who do the copyright is for their notes and maps but not the text of the Bible) why? Prov 16:19 ¶ Better [it is to be] of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. the translators of the AV were humble men not seeking to make money off the Bible as many do today.

Humbleness is what gets God's favor and shows you are a Holy Man of God not a prideful pharisee or dissenter. Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name [is] Holy; I dwell in the high and holy [place], with him also [that is] of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Mt 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Not Like those who would say they are of Paul or Cephas, or of Baptist or of Methodist, or of John MacArthur or of Charles Stanley, or of RC Sproal or of JD Kennedy, or of Moses or of RON WYATT. those types of men are proud boasters knowing nothing. 1Timothy 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

beware of men like those Php 3:1-3 ¶ Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. that last part means have no confidence in your own works of righteousness as unto doing the works of the law as a Gentile.

Col 2:8-12 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. these men fail to know that baptism does not mean immersed or washed, it is a condition that needs to be shown by asking How were you baptized.

the Preserved word of God may have been written by the physical hands of faulty men but those men being humble holy men were used of God so God could keep his promise to keep his words and preserve them to every generation forever. Not all Bibles are faulty, there is One Book that stands above them all, the Authorized version for English speaking world today.

[Viper_99]

(05-06-2012 11:27 PM)agsilverbear Wrote:  I see plenty of flaws, fraud, corruption, and manipulation in organized religion. I'm a Bible-believing Christian but I don't belong to any organized religion.

Do you participate in a church, home church, or group of believers?

[Enkidu]

Personally im not religious at all, I don't bow down to anyone let alone something I believe was man made to control people back in a time when people needed that. I have my own thoughts on the Universe but not in a greater being, I don't believe there is a God or Jesus. If there was a guy called Jesus then I don't believe he was magical or Gods son just maybe someone what did a lot of good for people. I can see why people need to believe in something though, good on them if it makes them feel complete. I however don't need that at all.

BUT this don't make me a bad person, I live my life as best as I can, help who I can and treat people well...

[Chette]

(05-21-2012 03:48 PM)Enkidu Wrote:  Personally im not religious at all, I don't bow down to anyone let alone something I believe was man made to control people back in a time when people needed that. I have my own thoughts on the Universe but not in a greater being, I don't believe there is a God or Jesus. If there was a guy called Jesus then I don't believe he was magical or Gods son just maybe someone what did a lot of good for people. I can see why people need to believe in something though, good on them if it makes them feel complete. I however don't need that at all.

I always want to ask people when I hear these kind of remarks is "what if you are wrong?"

Proverbs 14:12 ¶ There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 ¶ There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Quote:BUT this don't make me a bad person, I live my life as best as I can, help who I can and treat people well...

In the real world whether at work, school and gov't all have checks and balances so that things are based on a standard.

So what do you base your "I live my life as best as I can" on? By what standard are you using for checks and balances that you know are actually living your life the best you can?

[Enkidu]

(05-22-2012 05:03 AM)Chette Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 03:48 PM)Enkidu Wrote:  Personally im not religious at all, I don't bow down to anyone let alone something I believe was man made to control people back in a time when people needed that. I have my own thoughts on the Universe but not in a greater being, I don't believe there is a God or Jesus. If there was a guy called Jesus then I don't believe he was magical or Gods son just maybe someone what did a lot of good for people. I can see why people need to believe in something though, good on them if it makes them feel complete. I however don't need that at all.

I always want to ask people when I hear these kind of remarks is "what if you are wrong?"

Proverbs 14:12 ¶ There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 ¶ There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Quote:BUT this don't make me a bad person, I live my life as best as I can, help who I can and treat people well...

In the real world whether at work, school and gov't all have checks and balances so that things are based on a standard.

So what do you base your "I live my life as best as I can" on? By what standard are you using for checks and balances that you know are actually living your life the best you can?

Firstly if there is such a thing as a God then it wont matter if I follow a religion. If this God is all powerful you think it would want me praying following something man made like all religion is? or do you think it would want me to get on with my life and live it as best as I can?

Secondly in religion God is all forgiving so nothing really matters does it, the rules about the devil or not being let into heaven if im bad were all man made in the past to scare people to make the human race orderly or to control rather like money does today. Nowdays we have law, courts, police and prisons so religion is not required. I seriously believe its just drumed into people about religion so they follow and dont question, I however questioned and turned to science to provide me with all I need rather than faith.

Last of all I feel most laws were made based on religious rights and wrongs so providing you dont break the law then your leading a good life.

[Silver07]

@Enkidu

You're confusing religion with the Holy Bible. They are not the same. The bible doesn't teach you to be in religion or to be religious.

As far as thinking you'll be fine because you believe God is forgiving and you can just go on with your life, how do you know this? How did you come up with your belief of what is good and evil? Right and wrong? Lawful or lawless?

Some say they don't worry about getting into the bible because they have faith in something (I use to be one of these people, I'm also a scientist). You can have faith in anything. The question you should ask now is what is the Truth?

If you believe the Holy Bible is the truth, you believe the word of God is the truth. If so, scripture tells us there is a heaven and hell. And your salvation and what happens to your soul after you die depends on you seeking that truth.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. (Hosea 4:6 KJV)

If you come to the faith of the God of the bible and believe his word is the truth, you will learn you were born in sin:

Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. (Psalms 51:4-6)

Now what is sin? Sin is transgression of the Law (ALL of God's Commandments):

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:4-10)

Now it's evident you can't do this alone and you'll have to seek him. Who is God of the Holy Bible? GOD=Jesus

And HE is 1 GOD:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD (Deuteronomy 6:4)

One Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)

He has 1 People (The seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - Israel). Israel is not the state setup by the Leauge of Nations in 1948 either. It is a people:

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12)

You must be baptized in water for remission of sins in the name of Jesus Christ:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)

I wish you well in seeking the truth. Many Blessings...

[Enkidu]

But humans wrote all of them, can't anyone see that? They have been created to control people....

the bible
the Koran
Guru Granth Sahib
The Vedas
Theravada

All man made.

Seems the USA are more religious than the UK, its actually rare to find a religious man here.