Islam's Allah is NOT the same as the Christianity's God with a different story

[Mark777]

I came across this video last night. It's the story of a former Muslim terrorist who converted to Christianity.

I'm only posting this because it directly refutes the "theory" some espouse that Islams's Allah is the same as the Bible's God with a different story.

This subject was recently debated in this forum in another thread with a different original topic; so, I'm starting a new thread about it. To me it's very important information.

This former terrorist has very revealing, intimate, inside details about Islam's Allah vs Christianity's God. He also reveals that Muslims have been in this country for decades already with a hidden agenda of imploding the US from within. Islam and Allah and those who truely follow it are America's and the non-Islamic world's extremely dangerous enemies! It's dangerous, to say the least, to think/believe otherwise.

In the end, what you truely believe is a matter of life and death. If Muslims succeed in imploding our country your head will literally be on the line. Either you convert to Islam or have your head sawed off....and maybe only after being tortured.

It's impossible for there to be a bigger contrast in a "God" than there is between Islam's Allah and the Bible's God and they don't have the same beginnings or motivations but with a different story. Their stories are both completely different!

If this post opens only one person's eyes, this post will have been worthwhile.





P.S. I have no desire to further debate this issue. Everyone is free to come to their own conclusions after viewing the video.

[kshymkiw]

They were talking about something like this on the Radio the other day here. Something about Obama saying he was a Christian, and whether people believed that, or believed he was a Muslim. The wide range of calls, is what I found interesting.

As a person who is of no faith at all, I find it funny to see the bickering between faiths claiming who is right and who is wrong.

[SonofYAHWEH]

for you to come out and blast a whole religion is pretty judgemental of you. people may have whatever beliefs they chose to have, I know many people of differents walks and religions. And muslims as a whole do not want to destroy America, that is a very radical thing to say indeed. We can examine modern day christianity if you would like, and how most of it's fundamentals are now pagan. Let me just ask this, do you celebrate Christmas? most likely you do, you buy your kids presents and tell the story of santa, yet you might also tell them about the birth of Christ and that Christmas is really about that. Yet the fact that you even buy presents and give santa any thought could be considered blasphemous by some, you are shadowing Christ by santa. before going off and judging a religion as a whole look within yourself and see what you find.

[victor kruger]

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

There is no Muslim here able to defend their beliefs i think.

End of the day your just trying to justify your little world, thankfully there are more open minded people not interested in division but what brings people together.





Peace be upon you.

[Dudesome]

Amen to that, Victor and Sono

[KYnyts]

I have mixed feelings on this whole topic. I won't get into my personal beliefs, but I have to tell you...watching The Third Jihad was sobering. Not for the faint of heart.

I changed my mind I believe there are good people and bad people in all religions. Not for a second do I believe that Islam is bad, any more than I believe Catholicism is bad, or fundamentalist Christians are bad. Radicalism and extremism exists in most religions, and I don't think you can judge the message of the religion by its most radical members.

[Dudesome]

Divide and conquer

thats how it works today.

[nigerian prince]

zionist propaganda, most here can see through the economic, religious and racial garbage fed to westerners..

[Mojofabulous]

I started watching the third jihad early on in my awakening period. I made it about 5 to 10 minutes before i turned it off. It just felt like a propaganda piece.

[KYnyts]

(03-16-2012 02:05 AM)Mojofabulous Wrote:  I started watching the third jihad early on in my awakening period. I made it about 5 to 10 minutes before i turned it off. It just felt like a propaganda piece.

It was. They found a use for it by playing it on a continual loop at the NYPD Academy. Talk about brainwashing. Uhg.

[harbl_the_cat]

The Koran's account of the creation story has one very subtle difference from the one in the Book of Genesis.

Not being an expert on the Koran, the Islamic account of the creation story was that, God created Adam and instructed the angels to submit before him. Iblis (Satan) refused, and instead lured and deceived Adam and Eve to eat of the Forbidden Tree, for which God cast Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. In the Book of Genesis, Adam and Eve are lured by the serpent to eat of the tree, but there is no mention of God instructing the angels to submit to to man.

Furthermore, the Koran claims that God forgave Adam after he repented, whereas there is no such indication in the Bible. The ambiguity of Adam's salvation is perfectly consistent with the Biblical theme that salvation is received by faith not by and deed (including repentance).

The difference in the story is subtle, but on determining the character of God and of man's position relative to him, it's of fundamental importance.

If God would instruct parts of his creation (the angels) to worship another of his creation (man), it stands to reason that as created beings, it is acceptable that God will lead us to prostate to and worship other parts of creation. The texts of the old and new testament of the Bible are absolutely adamant that doing so is sinful (it's in fact, the first of the ten commandments and the first part of greatest of commandments given by Christ).

More importantly, though, because of the emphasis in the Koran on Satan's rebellion, there is no notion of original sin - the generational curse God placed on Adam (and through him, all of his offspring- all of mankind) that was only broken through the sacrifice of Christ. According to the Bible, all men are born sinful, whereas the Koran insinuates men are born righteous.

According to the Bible, Christ's sacrifice as the Son of God (and thus fully God) was enough to break the curse all people are afflicted with from birth, and is a free gift that is only received by faith. That is the biggest difference though between God of the Bible and Allah of the Koran, that God in the Bible reveals himself in 3 distinct but perfectly unified persons in the Holy Trinity.

The Koran explicitly states that neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit are God, whereas the Bible is entirely based on the premise they both are full members of the Godhead. That is an irreconcilable difference between the Koran's version of God and the Bible's.

That said, the Koran does speak positively of Christians. I can't say I understand the full context but there are several verses in the Koran that speaks positively of Christians and for Muslims to respect "People of the Book" (as Christians are referred to).

It's important to note that the Bible says nothing specifically about Muslims, since the Koran was written hundreds of years after the Bible during the life of Muhammad (in 600 AD)... The Revelation of John does specifically warn against adding to it or taking away from it (which it has been argued, the Koran has done entirely).

Understanding this, for a personal application, I fully believe by faith that Jesus Christ was fully God and I cannot accept the Islamic assertion that he isn't. That's not to say I think I personally have any obligation to "convert" or wage war with Muslims.

John's warning in Revelation 22:18-19 reads:

Quote:"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

In other words, God will give and take away, not God's children. In contrast, Jesus himself said in Matthew 28:16-20

Quote:"...All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Jesus, declaring himself fully God, commissions his disciples to "teach all nations," not to wage war on them or forcefully and violently convert them.

When I realized that, I realized my previous life as a Canadian soldier, the widespread (if unofficial and non-politically correct) belief in the threat Islamic terrorism was a false and that the wars waged to counteract that threat were immoral.

[Honey]

(03-16-2012 05:36 PM)harbl_the_cat Wrote:  The Koran's account of the creation story has one very subtle difference from the one in the Book of Genesis.

Not being an expert on the Koran, the Islamic account of the creation story was that, God created Adam and instructed the angels to submit before him. Iblis (Satan) refused, and instead lured and deceived Adam and Eve to eat of the Forbidden Tree, for which God cast Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. In the Book of Genesis, Adam and Eve are lured by the serpent to eat of the tree, but there is no mention of God instructing the angels to submit to to man.

Furthermore, the Koran claims that God forgave Adam after he repented, whereas there is no such indication in the Bible. The ambiguity of Adam's salvation is perfectly consistent with the Biblical theme that salvation is received by faith not by and deed (including repentance).

The difference in the story is subtle, but on determining the character of God and of man's position relative to him, it's of fundamental importance.

If God would instruct parts of his creation (the angels) to worship another of his creation (man), it stands to reason that as created beings, it is acceptable that God will lead us to prostate to and worship other parts of creation. The texts of the old and new testament of the Bible are absolutely adamant that doing so is sinful (it's in fact, the first of the ten commandments and the first part of greatest of commandments given by Christ).

More importantly, though, because of the emphasis in the Koran on Satan's rebellion, there is no notion of original sin - the generational curse God placed on Adam (and through him, all of his offspring- all of mankind) that was only broken through the sacrifice of Christ. According to the Bible, all men are born sinful, whereas the Koran insinuates men are born righteous.

According to the Bible, Christ's sacrifice as the Son of God (and thus fully God) was enough to break the curse all people are afflicted with from birth, and is a free gift that is only received by faith. That is the biggest difference though between God of the Bible and Allah of the Koran, that God in the Bible reveals himself in 3 distinct but perfectly unified persons in the Holy Trinity.

The Koran explicitly states that neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit are God, whereas the Bible is entirely based on the premise they both are full members of the Godhead. That is an irreconcilable difference between the Koran's version of God and the Bible's.

That said, the Koran does speak positively of Christians. I can't say I understand the full context but there are several verses in the Koran that speaks positively of Christians and for Muslims to respect "People of the Book" (as Christians are referred to).

It's important to note that the Bible says nothing specifically about Muslims, since the Koran was written hundreds of years after the Bible during the life of Muhammad (in 600 AD)... The Revelation of John does specifically warn against adding to it or taking away from it (which it has been argued, the Koran has done entirely).

Understanding this, for a personal application, I fully believe by faith that Jesus Christ was fully God and I cannot accept the Islamic assertion that he isn't. That's not to say I think I personally have any obligation to "convert" or wage war with Muslims.

John's warning in Revelation 22:18-19 reads:

Quote:"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

In other words, God will give and take away, not God's children. In contrast, Jesus himself said in Matthew 28:16-20

Quote:"...All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Jesus, declaring himself fully God, commissions his disciples to "teach all nations," not to wage war on them or forcefully and violently convert them.

When I realized that, I realized my previous life as a Canadian soldier, the widespread (if unofficial and non-politically correct) belief in the threat Islamic terrorism was a false and that the wars waged to counteract that threat were immoral.

This was extremely interesting... Thanks...

[victor kruger]

I think its fair to say that if of a particular faith your not going to or wish to fully understand the scriptures of another, nor really is it right to try to, you'll just automatically get drawn to find a divide. What is important as harbl points out is to peacefully engage others if you must have discourse.

[Honey]

I will go back to my point that I am not a fan of "organized" religion. Each of us must find our own relationship with God. It should be a personal thing and not just listening to someone else's opinion of what religion should be, or how you should act. It boils down to Right and Wrong ultimately. We have a conscience and as such, we understand that killing is wrong, robbery, etc. ANY "God" that promotes, teaches, rewards "wrong" is just that. WRONG. There are religious sects all over that have all sort of crazy beliefs.

The meaning of life is quite simple. It is knowing in your heart what is Good and what is Evil and always choosing Good. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. It simply is what it is..

[harbl_the_cat]

Thought I'd add as well there are some other major related differences between The Bible and the Koran.

One is the story of Abraham, Hagar, and Sarah.

The Bible describes Abraham sending away Hagar (the Egyptian slave to Sarah, who Sarah had instructed Abraham to impregnate as she was barren) with her son Ishmael. Whereas the Koran implies that he sent away Sarah and her son Isaac.

According to the Bible, while Ishmael was to be blessed and to have a great nation, it was not through him that God's covenant with Abraham would be fulfilled to bless all nations (as Christians we believe is through his seed, Jesus), rather, the Bible describes that he would constantly quarrel with his brothers, the descendants of Isaac (the Jews).

I believe Islamic tradition holds that Ishmael is the father of the Arab nations, while Isaac is the father of the Jews - which is ironic, because given that the story was set 3800 years ago much of that time, especially to the past few centuries, has been characterized by quarrels between the Jews and Arabs.

There are some broader, theological implications to this story I'm sure I'm missing - but one thing that is encouraging is that the scriptures both affirm the fact that modern day Arabs, the large majority of whom are Muslims, are actually "brothers" of the Jews, and to thus brothers to those of us who believe in the Holy Trinity and are adopted children of God through the divine nature of Christ.

Honey, I too am quite sceptical of "organized religions" more so due to my distrust of large, entrenched institutional organizations period. For me, the stories in the Bible are utterly fascinating (and incredibly entertaining). I find it funny when there's a stereotype of Christians as the prudish, passive, goody-two-shoes, when the scriptures are chalk full of stories of destruction, violence, sex, betrayal, sorrow, joy, and ultimately victory and triumph of good over evil.

Oddly enough, I think one of the most accurate portrayals of a "Christian" who lives by Scripture is that of Shepard Book from the TV show Firefly (even though that's not entirely accurate and opening up a huge can of worms).

[brotherjohnf]

The rest of this thread has been moved to "mother eve was wholly seduced by lucifer" per request of the OP.

[nsakic]

This is a total nonsense video. So, where are the Muslim lobby groups? How many Muslims are in congress? How many Muslims are heads of the banks? How many Muslims work for different branches of federal reserve? This is all bullshit. This tool, for whatever reason, become a Christian (which I don't even believe, but he is on tv b/c somehow someone converted him. So, now, he is a Christian and what is the first thing he does. He goes on a Muslim-bashing tirade on tv.

If Muslims had agenda or had any power in US, there wouldn't be war being raged across Muslim countries. What's in it for them?

The only ones who have any agenda in imploding US economy or the country as we know it are the money changers .. and always have been. This moron is prolly one of them.

-nsakic