Is the law done away with?

[Silver07]

(04-25-2012 10:17 PM)slavedriven Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 10:07 PM)Chette Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 09:47 PM)slavedriven Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 09:13 PM)Chette Wrote:  all references to gospel before Act11 are references to the Kingdom Gospel of which the Apostles to the circumcisions preached.

My verse only support you points because you are seeking verse to falsely teach that the gospels are all one. But they equally support the doctrines held by the body of Christ.

By the way, Israel and her converts up unto Acts 8 were not part of the body of Christ. they had the spirit of God. But having the Holy Spirit is not equal to being placed in the Body of Christ.

You keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it sounds good to you (at least I hope you can fool...err agree with yourself!).

I am astonished at the power of indoctrination... You are a living memorial.

My Indoctrination if from God's preserved word by inspiration not the doctrine of men as your indoctrination is.

you see the difference between you and mine Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 2:1 ¶ But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

If you are going to speak as the oracles of God you need to speak with the word of God.

Why don't you cut out all your bible but the pauline letters? You don't need the rest you know...

I'm going to do you a favor...because I love you.

That is good. Be careful, he might just get it!

[Chette]

Well was the 12 apostle question answered correctly?

[slavedriven]

(04-26-2012 06:48 PM)Chette Wrote:  Well was the 12 apostle question answered correctly?

I don't think you realize what you're asking.

Do you understand the implications if you are correct?

I made a thread and asked everyone that question to make them think about the implications and to research them. Have you?

[Chette]

Luke 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The context of these verse show Christ is speaking of the twelve apostles

Mt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Ac 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
there is not reason to infer there are another twelve apostles other than the ones appointed by Christ and later by God through the lot in Act 1.

"Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Each wall has a gate, in each gate has a judge to hear the people, each of the twelve apostles are said to sit on thrones judging the people of Israel. So it makes complete sense that in the New Jerusalem the 12 names of these walls are named after the twelve Judges.

You see how comparing spiritual things with spiritual leads to the correct conclusion.

Romans 16 infers there are other apostles, but only 12 are numbered by Christ and one died and went to his place, and another who was approved of by God to take his place via the lot acting.

It is far safer to trust in God clear revelation than to assume these are any other than the original eleven and Matthias. To do so you would have to add to God word and therefore the curses of this book will be added unto you.

[agsilverbear]

(04-24-2012 11:15 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 10:04 PM)Chette Wrote:  you know why you put yourself under law so admittingly you are saying your a not a righteous man. I know I am for Christ made me righteous with his righteousness and no works of the law will make me any more righteous than I need to be to stand before God.

You are right. I was unrighteous. I was a wicked sinner. Broke every single one of God's commandments. Only through the blood of Jesus was I redeemed back to him. I repented for my sins and was baptized in His name.

So what do I do now? Go on sinning? Continue on justifying my old wicked fleshly man?

So if the law is a curse, is a yoke, doesn't need to be kept, then what are you repenting for? If it's not sin, then what is it? Why are you being baptized?

Did anyone here say the law gives you salvation? No.

Did anyone here say you'll now be perfect in keeping the law? No.

Was Jesus not the living walking Torah? You call yourself a follower of Christ then why don't you follow him? If you stumble you have grace to repent for your wickedness.

Oh I forgot, emperor Constantine and his harlots said as long as I take mental ascent to Jesus then nothing needs to change, I'm saved. Go back to sleep, celebrate christmas, easter, sunday, get drunk, keep eating swine. Be the best heathen pagan I can be! Hail Caesar and Alexander the Greek! (no emotion, lots of sarcasm)

You prefer to read God's letters to someone else and want to pretend they are written to you. And you ignore the letters he wrote to you. Good luck with that.

[Chette]

Hi agsilverbear,

Glad to see you on the forum.

I got the highest negative reputation points ever. I am not liked much around here among the messianic religionists.

let God be true and every man a liar I always say.

[slavedriven]

(04-26-2012 09:55 PM)Chette Wrote:  Luke 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The context of these verse show Christ is speaking of the twelve apostles

Mt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Ac 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
there is not reason to infer there are another twelve apostles other than the ones appointed by Christ and later by God through the lot in Act 1.

"Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Romans 16 infers there are other apostles, but only 12 are numbered by Christ and one died and went to his place, and another who was approved of by God to take his place via the lot acting.

It is far safer to trust in God clear revelation than to assume these are any other than the original eleven and Matthias. To do so you would have to add to God word and therefore the curses of this book will be added unto you.

You are getting really close here.

#1 You need to define said curses EXACTLY in every location. These are vital to know. As they are the basis of the Scriptures.
#2 When you are able to define the curses you'll also notice something else written there in one of them. What is the other part of the curse? The promise to...?
I tell you this is to me may very well be one of the most important realization you can have in your life.
#3 Whom are not mentioned in your post above, and why?
#4 ...I'll wait on that one

Look, there's no doubt you know scripture. I am just trying to get you to ask questions to yourself and to verify everything you take on faith right now because it is every bit verifiable. It's healthy to do this.

[Silver07]

(04-26-2012 10:43 PM)Chette Wrote:  Hi agsilverbear,

Glad to see you on the forum.

I got the highest negative reputation points ever. I am not liked much around here among the messianic religionists.

let God be true and every man a liar I always say.

No messianic or religionist here. I follow one faith. That is the faith of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, Paul. The faith of the Hebrew Israelites. The only faith of the Holy Bible. And yes, Jesus was YHWH in the flesh.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)

Chette, slavedriven has some good points you may want to look into.

[Chette]

I see these sophistic questions as those that gender strife so I will answer briefly and this will be over as I will not go any further with this.

The curse is defined in the context of Galatians Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: Death is the curse of the Law for none could keep it, the law was meant to drive you to Christ not back to the law.

Now if you use Gal 3:13 to say the curse is the curse of the law of Moses for Israel only is gone and now we are free to obey the law of Moses for all Israel without worry, then you must consider this. If you are making the curse of Gal 3:13 the curse of the Law of Moses for all Israel as found in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy void because of the Cross of Christ, and the believe the curses have been taken out of the way then so are all the blessings of the law of Moses for all Israel as well. Deut 11:26 ¶ Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Remember the blessings were not eternal life or everlasting life they were just earthly prosperity, protection and perpetuity while they lived in the land.

If you make the death of Christ to take away the curse of the law of Moses for all israel as found in the towrah, then there is no longer a blessing in following the law of Moses for all Israel either. For the blessings and the curse go together and both hinged on the law of Moses by all Israel being or not being kept. the promise was keep the law of Moses for all Israel stay in the land break the law of Moses for all Israel you will be scattered from the land

But if the curse is death as taught by Paul then the blessing you get from Christ is redemption from the curse of the law, which is death. In other words you get eternal life.

You confuse ever instance of law to be the Law of Moses for all Israel found in the towrah, and every instance of curse to be the curse which are found in the towrah. You once again are wrongly combining the word not rightly dividing it as you are commanded in 2 Tim 2:15.

But the Word of God reveals there was a law before Moses. Job 22:22 Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart. Job lived before Moses and was a temporary of Abraham or even Laban. The Story of Job is the oldest recorded in Scripture. The "law from his mouth" in the context is God's mouth and Job and his friends knew this law and this law was many many years before Moses was even born. so this is proof that the word Law does not always refer to the law of Moses.

Another example of a man before the law of Moses knew God's law of Adultery and its curse which is death.
Gen 20:3 ¶ But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine. Abimelch knew a law of God that was apart from the Law of Moses for all Israel. It is an error to make every instance of the word law to be the law of Moses.

you would do well to read the book of Hebrews and every instance it speaks of the law.

Good day gentlemen and that will be all.

[agsilverbear]

(04-26-2012 10:43 PM)Chette Wrote:  Hi agsilverbear,

Glad to see you on the forum.

I got the highest negative reputation points ever. I am not liked much around here among the messianic religionists.

let God be true and every man a liar I always say.

Chette,

I see the negative reps are all from two gentlemen who give you -2 on every post you make. That is bordering on harassment in my book. Without those two you'd have + 15 for 50-60 posts which is a ratio that more reflects the value of your posts. Even if you subtract my + reps you still have a high + rep ratio.

John and I are blessed to have you on this forum..

[slavedriven]

(04-27-2012 06:43 AM)agsilverbear Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 10:43 PM)Chette Wrote:  Hi agsilverbear,

Glad to see you on the forum.

I got the highest negative reputation points ever. I am not liked much around here among the messianic religionists.

let God be true and every man a liar I always say.

Chette,

I see the negative reps are all from two gentlemen who give you -2 on every post you make. That is bordering on harassment in my book. Without those two you'd have + 15 for 50-60 posts which is a ratio that more reflects the value of your posts. Even if you subtract my + reps you still have a high + rep ratio.

John and I are blessed to have you on this forum..

I see a foot in mouth coming.

Maybe you should review posts...

I will plainly admit to negative ratings. I was attacked by this Chete without even knowing him. I let him rant on for several posts before even responding to his descimination.

Harassment is correct, but not maybe the target you are so quick to decide on. It shouldn't be too hard for you to figure this out.

[Eliyahu]

(04-27-2012 07:28 AM)slavedriven Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 06:43 AM)agsilverbear Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 10:43 PM)Chette Wrote:  Hi agsilverbear,

Glad to see you on the forum.

I got the highest negative reputation points ever. I am not liked much around here among the messianic religionists.

let God be true and every man a liar I always say.

Chette,

I see the negative reps are all from two gentlemen who give you -2 on every post you make. That is bordering on harassment in my book. Without those two you'd have + 15 for 50-60 posts which is a ratio that more reflects the value of your posts. Even if you subtract my + reps you still have a high + rep ratio.

John and I are blessed to have you on this forum..

I see a foot in mouth coming.

Maybe you should review posts...

I will plainly admit to negative ratings. I was attacked by this Chete without even knowing him. I let him rant on for several posts before even responding to his descimination.

Harassment is correct, but not maybe the target you are so quick to decide on. It shouldn't be too hard for you to figure this out.

Agreed Slavedriven...

That's an AMAZING amount of assumption there...

Most christians are just so quick to judge. To take 1 person's view over the stated 2 people is kind of odd to begin with. Then to not even screen the other threads to see what difficulties 4-5 other people are having with this same person is the textbook definition is assumption if you ask me.

sigh...

[Chette]

where is the forgiveness and tolerance you all call for?

If you were any better than I you would never had returned evil for evil.

go look at the many forums I have been called a pagan, sun worshipper, roman catholic, deluded, idiot, prideful, and much more, their sarcasms dripped with disdain and contempt all the time in the name of their god YAH.

Like chinmusic said neither side would lead him to our ways.

So in like I apologized and asked forgiveness for my mistakes and shortcomings.

I praise God my righteousness is in Christ and not of my self.

[Silver07]

(04-27-2012 09:36 PM)Chette Wrote:  where is the forgiveness and tolerance you all call for?

If you were any better than I you would never had returned evil for evil.

go look at the many forums I have been called a pagan, sun worshipper, roman catholic, deluded, idiot, prideful, and much more, their sarcasms dripped with disdain and contempt all the time in the name of their god YAH.

Like chinmusic said neither side would lead him to our ways.

So in like I apologized and asked forgiveness for my mistakes and shortcomings.

I praise God my righteousness is in Christ and not of my self.

Well said, see Chette's new thread...

[Lara]

We considered that certain edge marking guidelines from the Law of Moses were required for Honest. Activities to these guidelines identified, in our concepts, whether we were in, that is, whether we were real Honest or not.