Family History - Can anyone help?

[kshymkiw]

I have a pretty strange request here, and hoping anyone can help. I am looking for help in deciphering some of the words (German, Old Ukranian) on my Grandmothers Work Cards (Papers). Any help would be appreciated!!!!

ID Card:


Marriage Certificate:


Birth Certificate:


Work Card (Front):


Work Card (Back):


Once again I know what these documents are, but translating what they say is what is killing me. Some of them are pretty obvious, and some not so much. I appreciate all help in advance.

Also the historical value of these is pretty amazing in and of itself.

[Cointreau]

Kysh, I have a german room mate. I will ask her to take a look at your documents and see if she can shed any light.

[kshymkiw]

(05-15-2012 04:50 PM)Cointreau Wrote:  Kysh, I have a german room mate. I will ask her to take a look at your documents and see if she can shed any light.

Would be much appreciated. Mainly looking to see what some of the sections that aren't filled in mean, and some of the numbers and stuff. Some of it I can get through with my German, but not all of it.

[Cointreau]

Kysh, Is there anything specific that you want translating. perhaps the text on the birth certificate?

[kshymkiw]

(05-16-2012 12:28 PM)Cointreau Wrote:  Kysh, Is there anything specific that you want translating. perhaps the text on the birth certificate?

Yea. And the parts of the ID Card, that aren't filled in, and what some of it means. Also if it can be read, the marriage certificate.

[Cointreau]

(05-16-2012 12:47 PM)kshymkiw Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 12:28 PM)Cointreau Wrote:  Kysh, Is there anything specific that you want translating. perhaps the text on the birth certificate?

Yea. And the parts of the ID Card, that aren't filled in, and what some of it means. Also if it can be read, the marriage certificate.

Haven't forgotten about you. Hopefully we will have some info for you tomorrow. I'm quite intrigued myself actually.

[Mark777]

http://www.translation-guide.com/free_on...to=English

Here's a free online translation site that I've used a little. It says Norwegian to English but just about any language to English will work.

[Cointreau]

(05-15-2012 12:28 PM)kshymkiw Wrote:  I have a pretty strange request here, and hoping anyone can help. I am looking for help in deciphering some of the words (German, Old Ukranian) on my Grandmothers Work Cards (Papers). Any help would be appreciated!!!!

ID Card:


Marriage Certificate:


Birth Certificate:


Work Card (Front):


Work Card (Back):


Once again I know what these documents are, but translating what they say is what is killing me. Some of them are pretty obvious, and some not so much. I appreciate all help in advance.

Also the historical value of these is pretty amazing in and of itself.

Kysh, the sections on the id card that are unfilled are precisely because your Grandmother had stayed in the same place. So no new addresses to put in. The other unfilled section in the bottom left corner roughly translates as 'special characteristics' or maybe things of note.
Interestingly enough the marriage certificate seems to be written in latin as there are definitely some words in the handwritten text that are quite clearly latin. Probably written by a catholic priest schooled in latin.
The birth certificate was translated into german from its ukrainian original by a german cleric.
On the back of the work card, for nationality it first says ungek (unclear) followed by ukrainian and her job was glassworker.
Hope that helps.

[Cointreau]

Kysh, did your grandmother move to Germany in 1944? And do you know why she did so? Incidentally my mother witnessed a dog fight between spitfires and messerschmitts over the skies of London. She was a young girl at the time and it was all a bit of an adventure for her.

[Cointreau]

The hand written text on the marriage cert. would appear not to be latin after all but the printed text certainly is. Ukrainian perhaps. If it is, a friend of mine happens to have a ukrainian girlfriend.....

[Honey]

Cointreau,

I just have to comment how incredibly nice it is of you to find out all this information for Shimmy. i am sure he will appreciate it.

[kshymkiw]

(05-19-2012 03:19 PM)Cointreau Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:28 PM)kshymkiw Wrote:  I have a pretty strange request here, and hoping anyone can help. I am looking for help in deciphering some of the words (German, Old Ukranian) on my Grandmothers Work Cards (Papers). Any help would be appreciated!!!!

ID Card:


Marriage Certificate:


Birth Certificate:


Work Card (Front):


Work Card (Back):


Once again I know what these documents are, but translating what they say is what is killing me. Some of them are pretty obvious, and some not so much. I appreciate all help in advance.

Also the historical value of these is pretty amazing in and of itself.

Kysh, the sections on the id card that are unfilled are precisely because your Grandmother had stayed in the same place. So no new addresses to put in. The other unfilled section in the bottom left corner roughly translates as 'special characteristics' or maybe things of note.
Interestingly enough the marriage certificate seems to be written in latin as there are definitely some words in the handwritten text that are quite clearly latin. Probably written by a catholic priest schooled in latin.
The birth certificate was translated into german from its ukrainian original by a german cleric.
On the back of the work card, for nationality it first says ungek (unclear) followed by ukrainian and her job was glassworker.
Hope that helps.

Interesting. Thank you very much for digging into this.

(05-19-2012 04:00 PM)Cointreau Wrote:  Kysh, did your grandmother move to Germany in 1944? And do you know why she did so? Incidentally my mother witnessed a dog fight between spitfires and messerschmitts over the skies of London. She was a young girl at the time and it was all a bit of an adventure for her.

She left Ukraine to avoid Stalin, and was captured by the Nazi's (lesser of two evils?). Here is the story i have about it:

Quote:Eudokia Sophia Shymkiw was born to Ivan and Anna Bohdan (nee Rybak) on May
12 1916 in Ivaniwtciw about 20 kilometers from Lviv, one of five girls. In the
summer of 1943 along with about 100 people including children from the area
surrounding the village of Ivaniwtciw she went to Czechoslovakia in advance of the
communist arrival. The group was organized: they left their village with wagons,
horses, cows, oxen. Sophia was the only member of her family to join the exodus and
she did not have any farm animal of her own.
The small group first went to Czechoslovakia where they marked time to figure out
the situation at home with the communist invasion. After about two months of
wandering they went south to Hungary. There, the people closed their shop doors to
them, refusing to trade for any essentials. The Ukrainians returned to
Czechoslovakia. The Germans in the town where they stopped rounded them up with all their possessions which they expropriated. As usually the Germans did their
deeds in very legalistic fashion handing out receipts for the livestock and the
wagons. Those receipts could not be traced nor did they represent any contractual
value. The Germans then assigned people to labor. Sophia was assigned to a glass
factory in the village of Wernberg in the Kreis:Nabburg area. The factory was
called ‘Sigla_Werke’. Sophia worked at producing thick glass, presumably
tempered, that could not be penetrated by bullets.
Summer 1945 to 1949
After the war and several moves, Sophia found herself in the DP camp of Vilseck.
There she met Ivan Shymkiw and married him on July 9
th
1946. A son, Volodymyr
Darius was born on May 15
th
, 1947. In October 1949, Ivan, Sophia, and little
Volodymyr with the financial assistance of the Catholic Action organization came to
the United States.

Obviously I was hoping some more information could be obtained from the documents, but it sounds like the documents, essentially say the same thing.

[Cointreau]

All facinating stuff Kysh.
My father's line can be traced back to a certain Sarah Dove who was born in Yorkshire (northern england) in 1732 and the line probably goes all the way back to 1066 as a Norman knight with my surname was given land in Yorkshire after the successful conclusion of the Norman conquest. Other families sharing my surname settled in the southern ports of England for example Portsmouth. My grandfather moved from Hull down south to London where me and my brothers still live.
Incidentally my mothers maiden name is also Norman and the story goes that she is descended from a french 'criminal' who fled to England at the time of the French revolution.
Anyone else got any similar stories? Of the American posters on this forum. Whose family has been in America for the longest time?