Dietary law in the city!!

[findingyahsway]

Simple tip for those trying to keep the dietary law in the city! Many may already know, I hope it helps!!

[AmericanDogMan]

Good Vid Bro!!! Heathen in the background?? LOL

How would you know??? LOL

[Silver07]

Thank you for this brother!

[Chette]

Why would anyone want to yoke themselves under the law dietary or otherwise.

Here is what the Holy Bible says about anyone who would do the law


Ga 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Any man who would do the law brings himself under a curse.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. If you keep any part of the law the verse mentions circumcision so just replace that with dietary law and you too are required to keep it all. and that is impossible.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. If you miss even one of the laws not just dietary any one once you try to keep the law you are guilty. the problem is Christ took your guilt on the tree why would you want it back?

You can't keep just the dietary laws without keeping ALL the law.

Now if you want to live cleaner and healthier then do so but don't make a claim or a vow that you are trying or want to try to keep the dietary law you bring a curse upon yourself.

eat healthy but do so to glorify God because you practice good stewardship of you body in that there is a reward.

But if you are not saved dietary law may help you live healthier but you die and go to hell just the same as someone who didn't keep the law.

[Silver07]

(04-22-2012 03:35 AM)Chette Wrote:  Why would anyone want to yoke themselves under the law dietary or otherwise.

Here is what the Holy Bible says about anyone who would do the law


Ga 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Any man who would do the law brings himself under a curse.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. If you keep any part of the law the verse mentions circumcision so just replace that with dietary law and you too are required to keep it all. and that is impossible.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. If you miss even one of the laws not just dietary any one once you try to keep the law you are guilty. the problem is Christ took your guilt on the tree why would you want it back?

You can't keep just the dietary laws without keeping ALL the law.

Now if you want to live cleaner and healthier then do so but don't make a claim or a vow that you are trying or want to try to keep the dietary law you bring a curse upon yourself.

eat healthy but do so to glorify God because you practice good stewardship of you body in that there is a reward.

But if you are not saved dietary law may help you live healthier but you die and go to hell just the same as someone who didn't keep the law.

Emperor Constantine has you fooled. I find it interesting that the Christianity section was removed after this issue was addressed. I'll do my best to sum up the most common misconception/misinterpretation in the bible, which is the apostle Paul.

First and foremost Paul was a Hebrew and an Israelite NOT a Christian:

Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I. (2 Corinthians 11:22)


So we must understand Paul knew the law VERY well. He was a scholar in Torah. Unlike today, where Christianity teaches you from the beginning the law was done away with or it's a curse so why keep it, or most importantly teach it?

If you don't understand the law or Hebraic perspective, how could you possibly say you understand Paul? As for the law itself, think of it as the teaching. It teaches and defines sin. So every time you see the word law mentioned by Paul, replace it with the word teaching.

The curse Paul refers to is the curse of the part of the law (teaching) of sin and death. Before Christ, the law (teaching) was to put transgressors of the law to death! Now we have an advocate with the Father through Christ Jesus to free us from the law (teaching) of sin and death:

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh (Romans 8:2-3)


So the curse Paul refers to is NOT the entire Torah. It is the curse of the law (teaching) to put transgressors to death!

The Christian - Roman - Grekko perspective teaches the ENTIRE Torah is a curse. This is spiritually retarded and your Pastors are deceived!

Sin still exists, for sin is transgression of the law. So after baptism you don't continue on sinning, you walk new, as a new creature. Dieing to the fleshly old sinner man who didn't understand the law (teaching). Now you walk in a new light under Jesus Christ in spirit and TRUTH!

Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. (Psalms 119:142)



From the Christians personal apostle himself:

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
(Romans 6:1-2)


Shalom!

[findingyahsway]

(04-22-2012 03:35 AM)Chette Wrote:  Why would anyone want to yoke themselves under the law dietary or otherwise.

Here is what the Holy Bible says about anyone who would do the law


Ga 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Any man who would do the law brings himself under a curse.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. If you keep any part of the law the verse mentions circumcision so just replace that with dietary law and you too are required to keep it all. and that is impossible.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. If you miss even one of the laws not just dietary any one once you try to keep the law you are guilty. the problem is Christ took your guilt on the tree why would you want it back?

You can't keep just the dietary laws without keeping ALL the law.

Now if you want to live cleaner and healthier then do so but don't make a claim or a vow that you are trying or want to try to keep the dietary law you bring a curse upon yourself.

eat healthy but do so to glorify God because you practice good stewardship of you body in that there is a reward.

But if you are not saved dietary law may help you live healthier but you die and go to hell just the same as someone who didn't keep the law.

I believe this is a healthy discussion and we can learn together.

Paul spoke sound words: But he also spoke to those who know the law

Romans 7:1
1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) ....?
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We know that Galatians was a conversation between Paul and Peter about being overly religious with people as they grow. Peter had respect for Paul.

This is what Peter/Simon said about Paul/Saul

2 Peter 3:15-16

15....even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
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The book doesn't contradict and your favorite Apostle Paul ((the second Apostle to Gentiles) Peter was the first Apostle to the Gentiles (Acts 10) (Which Acts 10 is not talking about food but rather about men who are learning and were unclean but through Christ they become Clean.)))

Paul actually said:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

<<<<<<< The only scripture at the time was the TaNaK and so called Apocrypha (Big shout out to the Catholics who at least recognize this much, even though they have idols ) (aka the old testament))
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And dont forget Christ the Messiah himself said this!!

Matthew 5:17-18

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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I still see heaven and earth

and I dont want to be lawless! And I want to show I love HIM and HE is the WORD! and He said

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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In conclusion

I agree the Law doesn't save; It only outlines what sin is!

Christ who left us the comforter the Holy Spirit saves us! He delivers us from iniquity and saves us from death by being a mediator to the Father! When we sin;

We shouldnt sin on purpose!

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

1 John 3:4 Sin is transgression of the law.

Again Matthew 5:17-18 not one line shall be removed from the law till heaven and earth disappear. (Heaven and Earth are still here and the new heaven and new earth has not come down)

Romans 8:2 you are no longer under the law of sin and death.

The wages of sin are death. But grace keeps you alive and free if you accidentally transgress.

So I admonish you; We all must stop being lawless and come out of paganism

Hosea 4:6

[Chette]

bible believing and sophism never go together. It is not about salvation when Paul addressed the issue it was about adding law after salvation. either Christ is sufficient in all things or he is not. I am not against healthy living but when simple people are misled to believe that following the Jewish dietary laws are for them they are off track

But remember when some starts off say "for those who want to follow the dietary laws" which were only given to the nation of Israel as well as all laws in the OT that Paul talks about. Paul never encouraged anyone to follow any of the Jewish laws not one.

We had this 7th day Adventist come to do a health seminar. the first thing out of her mouth was not even Biblical. She said, "the reason people before the flood lived longer lives was because they were vegetarians."

this is a lie from the devil. Not one of those pre-flood vegetarians lived longer as a matter of Biblical fact they lived shorter and shorter lives. their lives were not being prolonged by diet they were being shortened by sin.

[Chette]

you lost me the minute you said, "misconception/misinterpretation in the Bible" everything before and after that is of no consequence to me once you show yourself not to be a Bible Believer.

Do you believe there is a preserved word of God today?

you see it is very simple you either believe the word is preserved or you believe it is a "misconception/misinterpretation" therefore it is an every evolving truth for you.

As for me it is settled it is finished the word is complete, whole, without error and without misunderstanding. Why because I have the Holy Ghost who teaches me all things, and as he compares spiritual things with Spiritual so do I. and I rightly divide the word of truth where from what you wrote you are wrongly joining the word.

While Paul was Jew by birth into the nation of Israel, he is a Christian by being born of the spirit. He literally forsook the law and when he tried to fulfill it in Acts 21: 26, 27 he was stopped by God's will, beat by his fellow Hebrews, arrested by the Roman guard never more to be of much benefit to the ministry except to pen letters of instruction and encouragement to his church plants. He never went to Spain and never planted a church after that.

Now you either believe what the Bible says and that God has preserved all his words to all generations forever Psalm12:6 ,7 or you don't, there is no two ways about it.

And if you have a preserved word of God is it in a book? and which one?

any other way leads to apostasy. Go look in the mirror.

The Christianity forum was ended because of the arguing between prideful men who think they have the market on truth of the Bible in a plethora of versions and that they only know the way and everyone else is misled by misconception/misinterpretation in the bible.

[Chette]

PS Remember when Paul spoke of the law in Galatians it was spoken after their salvation not a means of salvation.

You have the liberty to eat and drink for your health. the benefit is rewards for good stewardship of your body. But don't try and follow The dietary law given for all Israel Mal4:4 it is not meant for you.

[i]Romans 14:5-8 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.[/i]

No law needed to live and eat healthy just God's preserved word.

[findingyahsway]

(04-22-2012 08:01 PM)Chette Wrote:  PS Remember when Paul spoke of the law in Galatians it was spoken after their salvation not a means of salvation.

You have the liberty to eat and drink for your health. the benefit is rewards for good stewardship of your body. But don't try and follow The dietary law given for all Israel Mal4:4 it is not meant for you.

[i]Romans 14:5-8 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.[/i]

No law needed to live and eat healthy just God's preserved word.

Sad...

You don't believe in the Word of Christ

Matthew 5:17-18

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Very Sad... Bible Believer Chette, I want you to stand there on the day of atonement and say. Yes you gave me the whole book and record; but GOD, I dont need to hearken to your WORD! You said I could SIN!! Wow what ridiculous beliefs.

SAD!!!

[Eliyahu]

(04-22-2012 11:56 PM)findingyahsway Wrote:  

(04-22-2012 08:01 PM)Chette Wrote:  PS Remember when Paul spoke of the law in Galatians it was spoken after their salvation not a means of salvation.

You have the liberty to eat and drink for your health. the benefit is rewards for good stewardship of your body. But don't try and follow The dietary law given for all Israel Mal4:4 it is not meant for you.

[i]Romans 14:5-8 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.[/i]

No law needed to live and eat healthy just God's preserved word.

Sad...

You don't believe in the Word of Christ

Matthew 5:17-18

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Very Sad... Bible Believer Chette, I want you to stand there on the day of atonement and say. Yes you gave me the whole book and record; but GOD, I dont need to hearken to your WORD! You said I could SIN!! Wow what ridiculous beliefs.

SAD!!!

You can't help them all. You can only help those that seek the Father.

Jeremiah 29:12-13
"Then you shall call on Me, and shall come and pray to Me, and I shall listen to you.
And you shall seek Me, and shall find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart."

You can point it out all day long. Sow the seed, that's all we do.

His word will accomplish what He sent it for. Isaiah 55:8-11.

Our duty is to proclaim the Set-Apart Name of the Almighty YHWH. And to point towards His Torah. His Ruach HaKodesh will do the rest.

All Praise and Honor to YaH!!!

[slavedriven]

(04-22-2012 07:48 PM)Chette Wrote:  you lost me the minute you said, "misconception/misinterpretation in the Bible" everything before and after that is of no consequence to me once you show yourself not to be a Bible Believer.

Do you believe there is a preserved word of God today?

you see it is very simple you either believe the word is preserved or you believe it is a "misconception/misinterpretation" therefore it is an every evolving truth for you.

As for me it is settled it is finished the word is complete, whole, without error and without misunderstanding. Why because I have the Holy Ghost who teaches me all things, and as he compares spiritual things with Spiritual so do I. and I rightly divide the word of truth where from what you wrote you are wrongly joining the word.

While Paul was Jew by birth into the nation of Israel, he is a Christian by being born of the spirit. He literally forsook the law and when he tried to fulfill it in Acts 21: 26, 27 he was stopped by God's will, beat by his fellow Hebrews, arrested by the Roman guard never more to be of much benefit to the ministry except to pen letters of instruction and encouragement to his church plants. He never went to Spain and never planted a church after that.

Now you either believe what the Bible says and that God has preserved all his words to all generations forever Psalm12:6 ,7 or you don't, there is no two ways about it.

And if you have a preserved word of God is it in a book? and which one?

any other way leads to apostasy. Go look in the mirror.

The Christianity forum was ended because of the arguing between prideful men who think they have the market on truth of the Bible in a plethora of versions and that they only know the way and everyone else is misled by misconception/misinterpretation in the bible.

If I were you I'd pray.

[Silver07]

Jesus is the way and his law is the truth!

No matter how much you try and spin Paul, those red letters still stare you in the face:

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:3, 4)

[Chette]

(04-23-2012 10:11 AM)Silver07 Wrote:  Jesus is the way and his law is the truth!

No matter how much you try and spin Paul, those red letters still stare you in the face:

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:3, 4)

you must have some perverted bible you are reading or you error not knowing the scriptures.

Jesus never gave a law once in his earthly ministry and his only earthly commandments were to love one another.
He answered a question for Hebrew who is under the law as to which is the greatest and today no law will avail you anything in the sight of god until after the gathering and the preparation of his kingdom begins AGAIN.

Ac 15:1 ¶ And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Ac 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Acts 15:19, 20 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Ac 15:28, 29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Gentiles are not to be yoked unto law after salvation. this is the whole gist of what started in Acts 15:1. After these Gentiles had faith on Christ alone they said they could not be saved unless they kept the law of circumcision.
Then you see in verse five they said not only circumcision but the whole law of Moses.
Their sentence was in vv19-20 not to trouble the Gentiles with that which not even they nor their fathers kept.
Then again in verse it is verified that what these Jews were doing to the gentiles was after they had faith was to yoke them under the Jewish Laws.
The Holy Ghost in verse is the one that led then to decide that no burden of the Law of Moses shall be placed in any Gentile but four things that were partly observed before the law of Moses was ever given. Both Job and Abraham knew these laws.

Like I said it is ok to advocate good healthy lifestyle but make it a purpose of keeping a law you place yourself back under a curse which my friend means you make the cross of Christ of none effect.

GaL 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Ga 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Ga 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Ga 3:19-25 read it
Ga 3:26-28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Remember that Galatians is speaking about Gentile believers not Jews of the promised Kingdom.
We see from vs 2 believers are to live by faith not works of the law this is after salvation not before.
Vs 3 tells us we would be fools to finish the work of Christ by trying to do the law
Vs 10 we would place ourselves under a curse for no one today can keep the whole law. Part of it does not work it is all or nothing.
Vs 11 tells us that no one is justified by works of the law therefore anyone who has been made just by faith on Christ is to live henceforth by faith alone.
Vs 12 tells us that we can not live in the works of the law. It is impossible to have the life Christ wants you to have if you follow the law of Moses.
Vs 13 tells us we have been redeemed from the law meaning you are not obligated to keep it at all.
Vv 19-25 the purpose of the law was to reveal transgression not to make anyone except a Jew under law healthy, wealthy, wise of favored.
Vv 26-28 we are no longer Jews under law, or Gentiles, nor bond, nor free or even male and female, we are one in CHRIST.

It is either Christ alone by faith for all areas of our life after salvation or it is not. Not two ways. while diet is good for health in this world it should never be looked at as observance of dietary law. Once that attitude is approached you have added to the cross and made it of no effect and place your self under a curse.

Eat healthy but no food no matter what it is, is to be refused, and for anyone to tell others to abstain from eating any food it is a doctrine of a devil according to 1Tim 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. you see that those who teach that people need to abstain from any food are causing people to depart from THE FAITH that they are to live in as a child in Christ. Now before you go off and say it just says meat. the old English term for meat covered not only flesh but grains and in the case of this text any food for the Greek word is Broma which means victuals, any food allowed or forbidden under Jewish law. Look it up. so this is not about flesh eating this is about abstaining from food or foods of any kind.

1Tim 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

[Chette]

By the way, all you YAH/Yahweh worshipers would do well to research deeply ancient Greek philosophy as there were two divisions in their society. The warriors and the intellectuals. while warriors followed Mars and other gods of war the intellectuals followed many gods, and one idol in particularly by the name of Yahweh, this god like allah is not the same as Jehovah, he was known to the Greeks as their god of wisdom and knowledge Gen 3:5, 6 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.. you see the god of this world that gave man the knowledge of good and evil and gave them what would make them wise was not Jehovah, a name not known to Adam or Eve, as they only knew him as Almighty God. that god was Satan, Lucifer, the old serpent the Devil that is who YAHWEH is.

When the Jews began to share their God with the Greeks the intellectuals would not accept or respect their religion or their God until they made Yahweh the same as Jehovah. By a phonic coincidence they found common ground and that was the creation of what is known in the Bible as the Hellenist.

You would also do well to know why the word LORD is used instead of JHVH in the only preserved word of God. Believe it or not every time a Jew would read the Hebrew JHVH he SAID/SPOKE LORD not Jehovah, not Yahweh not YAH but LORD.

[Chette]

(04-23-2012 12:43 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:  

(04-22-2012 11:56 PM)findingyahsway Wrote:  

(04-22-2012 08:01 PM)Chette Wrote:  PS Remember when Paul spoke of the law in Galatians it was spoken after their salvation not a means of salvation.

You have the liberty to eat and drink for your health. the benefit is rewards for good stewardship of your body. But don't try and follow The dietary law given for all Israel Mal4:4 it is not meant for you.

[i]Romans 14:5-8 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.[/i]

No law needed to live and eat healthy just God's preserved word.

Sad...

You don't believe in the Word of Christ

Matthew 5:17-18

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Very Sad... Bible Believer Chette, I want you to stand there on the day of atonement and say. Yes you gave me the whole book and record; but GOD, I dont need to hearken to your WORD! You said I could SIN!! Wow what ridiculous beliefs.

SAD!!!

You can't help them all. You can only help those that seek the Father.

Jeremiah 29:12-13
"Then you shall call on Me, and shall come and pray to Me, and I shall listen to you.
And you shall seek Me, and shall find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart."

You can point it out all day long. Sow the seed, that's all we do.

His word will accomplish what He sent it for. Isaiah 55:8-11.

Our duty is to proclaim the Set-Apart Name of the Almighty YHWH. And to point towards His Torah. His Ruach HaKodesh will do the rest.

All Praise and Honor to YaH!!!

finding and eli,

I do believe the words of Christ and of God the father. the times are no finished yet and therefore the law is still not completed until Rev 21. that is why the law is not finished for the Jews and God proclamation against this present world.

When the lord replied Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. but again you show you err in that you do not rightly divide the word of Truth as commanded by God via Paul i 2Tim 2:15.

the scriptures tells us who the law is for and who it is not for. Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. it can't get any clearer than that. the LAW is for ALL Israel not Gentiles like you two or me. and as stated in above post it is not for Gentiles in ACT 15.

Eli,
you prove my point that you believe you and those like you have the knowledge the rest of us don't when you say stuff like, "You can't help them all." I do not seek your help and never will. I seek God's truth as found in the Preserved Holy Bible especially the writings of Paul because they are written to the church, the body of Christ the fulness of him Eph 1:23. I seek the Word of the Living God Jesus Christ, not a perversion but his preserved word for the English speaking people of the last days generation. you use a perverted Bible that changes LORD to JHVH which misrepresents how the Jews even reverenced his name.

I follow the BIBLE not men like you, who would cause others to fall from the faith with your doctrines of devils.

Finding,
to assume I don't pray is an ignorant statement on your part. I pray more than you assume. Also I will not stand in the day of Atonement as my atonement was already completed and finished on the cross of Christ almost 2000 years ago. I will go to be with him upon my decease in this world the only thing I will stand before is the judgement seat of Christ to receive rewards to lay at his feet.

[findingyahsway]

(04-23-2012 07:02 PM)Chette Wrote:  No law needed to live and eat healthy just God's preserved word.



finding and eli,

I do believe the words of Christ and of God the father. the times are no finished yet and therefore the law is still not completed until Rev 21. that is why the law is not finished for the Jews and God proclamation against this present world.

When the lord replied Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. but again you show you err in that you do not rightly divide the word of Truth as commanded by God via Paul i 2Tim 2:15.

the scriptures tells us who the law is for and who it is not for. Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. it can't get any clearer than that. the LAW is for ALL Israel not Gentiles like you two or me. and as stated in above post it is not for Gentiles in ACT 15.

Eli,
you prove my point that you believe you and those like you have the knowledge the rest of us don't when you say stuff like, "You can't help them all." I do not seek your help and never will. I seek God's truth as found in the Preserved Holy Bible especially the writings of Paul because they are written to the church, the body of Christ the fulness of him Eph 1:23. I seek the Word of the Living God Jesus Christ, not a perversion but his preserved word for the English speaking people of the last days generation. you use a perverted Bible that changes LORD to JHVH which misrepresents how the Jews even reverenced his name.

I follow the BIBLE not men like you, who would cause others to fall from the faith with your doctrines of devils.

Finding,
to assume I don't pray is an ignorant statement on your part. I pray more than you assume. Also I will not stand in the day of Atonement as my atonement was already completed and finished on the cross of Christ almost 2000 years ago. I will go to be with him upon my decease in this world the only thing I will stand before is the judgement seat of Christ to receive rewards to lay at his feet.

Chette no one said you dont pray. You probably know exactly what your saying and just want to put misinformation out there to confuse the people.

Christ is clear. You are either deceived or the deceiver himself.


Matthew 5:17-18

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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I have just begun my patience will not wear thin. You are hopeless. But hopefully someone reading this will find truth and worship in it.

Blessings to all who Love the Most High

[Silver07]

Where did the responders to your posts ever say they are gentiles or Christians?

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

[Eliyahu]

(04-23-2012 06:49 PM)Chette Wrote:  By the way, all you YAH/Yahweh worshipers would do well to research deeply ancient Greek philosophy as there were two divisions in their society. The warriors and the intellectuals. while warriors followed Mars and other gods of war the intellectuals followed many gods, and one idol in particularly by the name of Yahweh, this god like allah is not the same as Jehovah, he was known to the Greeks as their god of wisdom and knowledge Gen 3:5, 6 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.. you see the god of this world that gave man the knowledge of good and evil and gave them what would make them wise was not Jehovah, a name not known to Adam or Eve, as they only knew him as Almighty God. that god was Satan, Lucifer, the old serpent the Devil that is who YAHWEH is.

When the Jews began to share their God with the Greeks the intellectuals would not accept or respect their religion or their God until they made Yahweh the same as Jehovah. By a phonic coincidence they found common ground and that was the creation of what is known in the Bible as the Hellenist.

You would also do well to know why the word LORD is used instead of JHVH in the only preserved word of God. Believe it or not every time a Jew would read the Hebrew JHVH he SAID/SPOKE LORD not Jehovah, not Yahweh not YAH but LORD.

This is probably the most blasphemous thing i've ever read. I feel sorry for you. I will pray to my Father for you.

[slavedriven]

(04-23-2012 08:32 PM)Eliyahu Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 06:49 PM)Chette Wrote:  By the way, all you YAH/Yahweh worshipers would do well to research deeply ancient Greek philosophy as there were two divisions in their society. The warriors and the intellectuals. while warriors followed Mars and other gods of war the intellectuals followed many gods, and one idol in particularly by the name of Yahweh, this god like allah is not the same as Jehovah, he was known to the Greeks as their god of wisdom and knowledge Gen 3:5, 6 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.. you see the god of this world that gave man the knowledge of good and evil and gave them what would make them wise was not Jehovah, a name not known to Adam or Eve, as they only knew him as Almighty God. that god was Satan, Lucifer, the old serpent the Devil that is who YAHWEH is.

When the Jews began to share their God with the Greeks the intellectuals would not accept or respect their religion or their God until they made Yahweh the same as Jehovah. By a phonic coincidence they found common ground and that was the creation of what is known in the Bible as the Hellenist.

You would also do well to know why the word LORD is used instead of JHVH in the only preserved word of God. Believe it or not every time a Jew would read the Hebrew JHVH he SAID/SPOKE LORD not Jehovah, not Yahweh not YAH but LORD.

This is probably the most blasphemous thing i've ever read. I feel sorry for you. I will pray to my Father for you.

No doubt EliYahu...That's disgusting.

This is all i'm going to add.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

[Chette]

(04-23-2012 07:55 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  Where did the responders to your posts ever say they are gentiles or Christians?

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

oh and Paul only went to Jews. Great but Paul speaks of Gentiles in Galatians and you are all gentiles.

Are you a jew? Not a spiritual jew or spiritual Israel are you a blood born jew?

you guys know nothing but how to pervert the word of God.

you may think what I have shared with you about the Greek god Yahweh is blasphemy but that is because you have been taught that he is Jehovah but he is not. If your going to say it is a Greek transliteration of the Bible then all your bible should be Greek transliteration not just bits and pieces.

Remember all blasphemy will be forgiven you except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost ( Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.) of which you all are guilty of when you ignore the teaching of Paul in Galatians 3 and promote the practice of Law on top of your faith in Christ's cross.

You guys only parrot the teaching of other men, I doubt any of you have literally done any real study of God's Holy word a day in your life.

There are three types of people in this world that the Bible deals with. 1Cor 10:32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: all of these you have failed to recognize as those whom God is dealing with.

there are Jews (unsaved in this age), there are gentiles (unsaved in this age), and there is the church of God, a spiritual church, the Body of Christ, the fulness of him (Eph1:23) made up of saved Jews and gentiles in this age.

you have yet to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth 2 Tim 2:15, you err because you are untrained in the word Heb 5:12-14 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

God is not dealing with a single nation right now. after the gathering into the clouds in preparation for Israels promised kingdom with Christ ruling he will again turn to Israel.

I will pray to Jesus Christ for you the mighty God. Of whom the father has placed us who trust in him into the body not a nation of a kingdom.

There are three main Gospels in the NT you would do well to study and find them and see what each one entails. the gospel of the Kingdom for Israel (Matt-John), the gospel of Grace for all mankind today (taught by Paul by inspiration of God, Romans-Philemon), and the everlasting Gospel (Rev 14). They are not the same and until you can rightly divide you will never be free from the bondage you have placed yourself in.

There are divisions in the NT that separate Israel from all (Matthew- Acts 8), the church of God made of saved Jews and Gentiles with no difference between them (Romans-Philemon), then the tribulation in preparation for the Promised Kingdom (Hebrews-Rev 19), the Eternal Kingdom Rev 20-22).

You have more in common with Roman Catholics that came out of Alexandria Egypt in 315AD as they are the ones whose Greek texts changed LORD to JHWH/YHVH to make a one world religion. these were the same ones who want you to believe in the Idol Yahweh and not in the person of Jesus Christ. You all are part of the great apostasy. You have fallen from the Faith and have made yourselves cursed by following even one small law added after you faith in Christ.

Only Israel was to know Jehovah as Jehovah and until they were called out of Egypt by Moses no one had ever called God Jehovah. Ex 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Israel was the only ones to call God Jehovah and it was not a tetragammaton.

While yo make the JHVH the tetragammaton out of ignorance to what that even is, the true real tetragammoton is this [b]Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.[b] not JHVH/YHVH, you guys have swallowed the lie of the devil hook line and sinker. The real and true tetragammaton is not JHVJ but I AM THAT I AM Hebrew is HAYAH can you see it it is a forward and backward that is what a tetragammaton is HA Y AH.

You guys are playing with Metaphysical Mysticism when you start talking tatragammaton and you are closer to Freemasons and new age than you are to REAL BIBLE. TETRAGAMMATRON is not Bible guys. you may find it in the perverse Talmud or some Roman Catholic texts but not the Bible. you are following men and not the Bible.

You guys are more than likely lost as a turnip on a potato wagon.

None of you so called YAH worshippers have answered the questions.

Do you believe God has preserved his word?

If he has where is it?

You keep going to words and terms outside the Bible or a perverse bible which shows you don't believe God kept his word to preserve his words to every generation. therefore you have no final authority and no one would be as pitiful as you who say you know God and yet have not his word by which you can stand so you go to men and metaphysics and extra biblical sources like ungodly wikipedia, making yourselves the Final authority instead of God word.

[Silver07]

(04-24-2012 06:32 AM)Chette Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 07:55 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  Where did the responders to your posts ever say they are gentiles or Christians?

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

oh and Paul only went to Jews. Great but Paul speaks of Gentiles in Galatians and you are all gentiles.

Are you a jew? Not a spiritual jew or spiritual Israel are you a blood born jew?

you guys know nothing but how to pervert the word of God.

Well please by all means, continue to enlighten us on who the jews of the bible are, a modern day jew, a spiritual jew, and an Israelite.

[Chette]

enlighten you. Oh you want me to enlighten you. You see that is your guys problem you are always seeking men to enlighten you.

prayerfully Study through all the scriptures I posted through out the thread and ask God's Holy Spirit to enlighten you if you even have him indwelling you, for he is the only one who can enlighten you.

good night Irene.

[Silver07]

Since you got into the Holy Ghost and the body of Christ:

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

I hope you back up what you preach. Not for your sake, but for the ones that need it.

[Eliyahu]

(04-24-2012 06:32 AM)Chette Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 07:55 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  Where did the responders to your posts ever say they are gentiles or Christians?

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

oh and Paul only went to Jews. Great but Paul speaks of Gentiles in Galatians and you are all gentiles.

Are you a jew? Not a spiritual jew or spiritual Israel are you a blood born jew?

you guys know nothing but how to pervert the word of God.

you may think what I have shared with you about the Greek god Yahweh is blasphemy but that is because you have been taught that he is Jehovah but he is not. If your going to say it is a Greek transliteration of the Bible then all your bible should be Greek transliteration not just bits and pieces.

Remember all blasphemy will be forgiven you except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost ( Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.) of which you all are guilty of when you ignore the teaching of Paul in Galatians 3 and promote the practice of Law on top of your faith in Christ's cross.

You guys only parrot the teaching of other men, I doubt any of you have literally done any real study of God's Holy word a day in your life.

There are three types of people in this world that the Bible deals with. 1Cor 10:32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: all of these you have failed to recognize as those whom God is dealing with.

there are Jews (unsaved in this age), there are gentiles (unsaved in this age), and there is the church of God, a spiritual church, the Body of Christ, the fulness of him (Eph1:23) made up of saved Jews and gentiles in this age.

you have yet to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth 2 Tim 2:15, you err because you are untrained in the word Heb 5:12-14 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

God is not dealing with a single nation right now. after the gathering into the clouds in preparation for Israels promised kingdom with Christ ruling he will again turn to Israel.

I will pray to Jesus Christ for you the mighty God. Of whom the father has placed us who trust in him into the body not a nation of a kingdom.

There are three main Gospels in the NT you would do well to study and find them and see what each one entails. the gospel of the Kingdom for Israel (Matt-John), the gospel of Grace for all mankind today (taught by Paul by inspiration of God, Romans-Philemon), and the everlasting Gospel (Rev 14). They are not the same and until you can rightly divide you will never be free from the bondage you have placed yourself in.

There are divisions in the NT that separate Israel from all (Matthew- Acts 8), the church of God made of saved Jews and Gentiles with no difference between them (Romans-Philemon), then the tribulation in preparation for the Promised Kingdom (Hebrews-Rev 19), the Eternal Kingdom Rev 20-22).

You have more in common with Roman Catholics that came out of Alexandria Egypt in 315AD as they are the ones whose Greek texts changed LORD to JHWH/YHVH to make a one world religion. these were the same ones who want you to believe in the Idol Yahweh and not in the person of Jesus Christ. You all are part of the great apostasy. You have fallen from the Faith and have made yourselves cursed by following even one small law added after you faith in Christ.

Only Israel was to know Jehovah as Jehovah and until they were called out of Egypt by Moses no one had ever called God Jehovah. Ex 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Israel was the only ones to call God Jehovah and it was not a tetragammaton.

While yo make the JHVH the tetragammaton out of ignorance to what that even is, the true real tetragammoton is this [b]Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.[b] not JHVH/YHVH, you guys have swallowed the lie of the devil hook line and sinker. The real and true tetragammaton is not JHVJ but I AM THAT I AM Hebrew is HAYAH can you see it it is a forward and backward that is what a tetragammaton is HA Y AH.

You guys are playing with Metaphysical Mysticism when you start talking tatragammaton and you are closer to Freemasons and new age than you are to REAL BIBLE. TETRAGAMMATRON is not Bible guys. you may find it in the perverse Talmud or some Roman Catholic texts but not the Bible. you are following men and not the Bible.

You guys are more than likely lost as a turnip on a potato wagon.

None of you so called YAH worshippers have answered the questions.

Do you believe God has preserved his word?

If he has where is it?

You keep going to words and terms outside the Bible or a perverse bible which shows you don't believe God kept his word to preserve his words to every generation. therefore you have no final authority and no one would be as pitiful as you who say you know God and yet have not his word by which you can stand so you go to men and metaphysics and extra biblical sources like ungodly wikipedia, making yourselves the Final authority instead of God word.

You are so full of paganism it's worthless to talk to you. The greek word "biblos" is pure pagan, but it's what you worship isn't it?

Tell you what...spend a day learning what you can of the hebrew language. Then go read the dead sea scroll for YeshaYaHu, you can read it online as it is right now. Then you will come back here and appologize. I don't know where you do your research at, but it's obvious it came from a crackerjack box. Go read the 2300 year old document. Then throw your king james version thats been corrupted by jerome in the trash for the blasphemies it commits against the Father. Also, you might want to realize that the word "holy spirit" is not what you think, but you would if you understood a iota about the hebrew language.

As for me I'm done casting pearls to swine.