Dietary law in the city!!

[Chette]

I took Hebrew for two years in College. and Greek for two years I don't need it If I can't understand it in English as preserved by the hand of God Almighty.

You problem is you think that the bible has errors and right you are. However there is one English version out their that is the preserved word of God for this generation. It is up to you to find it.

But because you have no final authority as a basis of truth, practice and faith. You have an ever evolving auithority with no solid ground except your Hebrew and Greek which changes with every new understanding that coome to your mind. that is why there are 350 plus translations out there today.

But only one is the Preserved word of God.

There is a reward for those who stand for the "word of God" and that is not the person Jesus Christ it is the written word preserved for us in the language of the last day. but hey you go on study Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, Aramaic, Latin so you can have your ever evolving support for your sinful life.

you are more pagan than I will every be with you Tetragammaton and your metaphysics. God will judge and I stand and fall to him alone.

[kshymkiw]

(04-24-2012 06:25 PM)Chette Wrote:  I took Hebrew for two years in College. and Greek for two years I don't need it If I can't understand it in English as preserved by the hand of God Almighty.

You problem is you think that the bible has errors and right you are. However there is one English version out their that is the preserved word of God for this generation. It is up to you to find it.

I think the problem is this. The language of English wasn't in use when a lot of this was created, hence it had to be translated by somebody. The problem with this is when people translate something, they translate what they think it says.

Did you ever play the telephone game as a kid? You tell person 1 something, and by the time it reaches person 30 it is something completely different.

For someone of faith, you are awfully combative towards others here. Not everyone shares your point of view, and if you don't like it that is fine, but have an adult discussion about it. You don't need to insult others, because you feel you are right and they are wrong. I don't feel that I should have to tell this to an Adult, who prides themselves on being a Pastor in a 3rd world country. Have a discussion, but please drop the insults towards people.

[Silver07]

(04-24-2012 06:25 PM)Chette Wrote:  I took Hebrew for two years in College. and Greek for two years I don't need it If I can't understand it in English as preserved by the hand of God Almighty.

You problem is you think that the bible has errors and right you are. However there is one English version out their that is the preserved word of God for this generation. It is up to you to find it.


But only one is the Preserved word of God.

So do you slap your Sunday school kids on the hand if they ever pick up any translation other than the one YOU allow? After all, you claim to be a Pastor correct?

[Chette]

(04-24-2012 07:01 PM)kshymkiw Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:25 PM)Chette Wrote:  I took Hebrew for two years in College. and Greek for two years I don't need it If I can't understand it in English as preserved by the hand of God Almighty.

You problem is you think that the bible has errors and right you are. However there is one English version out their that is the preserved word of God for this generation. It is up to you to find it.

I think the problem is this. The language of English wasn't in use when a lot of this was created, hence it had to be translated by somebody. The problem with this is when people translate something, they translate what they think it says.

Did you ever play the telephone game as a kid? You tell person 1 something, and by the time it reaches person 30 it is something completely different.

For someone of faith, you are awfully combative towards others here. Not everyone shares your point of view, and if you don't like it that is fine, but have an adult discussion about it. You don't need to insult others, because you feel you are right and they are wrong. I don't feel that I should have to tell this to an Adult, who prides themselves on being a Pastor in a 3rd world country. Have a discussion, but please drop the insults towards people.

yeah we all have played the games, but you are missing the point.

Almighty God made a promise to preserve his words to all generations forever Psalm 12:6. 7.

No he either kept his promise and has preserved it which means there is one English Bible out there which is preserved in the language of the last days of the church age, English?

Or he is not powerful enough to keep his promise and then leaves it up to a bunch of telephone game playing translators to do the work for him. which means we don't have any Bible that we can hold in our hand which are the Holy words of God, the scriptures.

Therefore man has no final authority that he can place is trust in and must trust other men and scholars to give them the correct meaning or the possible renderings leading to an ever evolving final authority. In other words they have no solid biblical foundation everything is subjective to the interpreter and that changes with every beat of a wicked and deceitful heart which no man can know leading to the great apostasy we see in a plethora of groups like the YAh worshipers, the JW's (not much different than the YAh worshipers), Mormons, INC, Jesus Healing crusade, inc., AG, Baptist, Roman Catholic and eastern orthodox, Daating Daan or Old Paths, Muslims, Jews for Christ, Evangelical, conservative fundamentalist, and the list of apostasy goes on and on.

Why?

Because they have no complete, whole, inerrant, inspired, preserved word of God they can hold in their hands and say, "this is the final authority for life and Godliness that God almighty has preserved by his hand as promised in his word, that we who have trusted Christ may live a life in Christ of peace and holiness."

[Eliyahu]

Never let a chance to insult someone pass do you chette?

[Silver07]

(04-24-2012 06:25 PM)Chette Wrote:  you are more pagan than I will every be with you Tetragammaton and your metaphysics. God will judge and I stand and fall to him alone.

Interesting statement. I see Christmas and Christmas trees promoted at your church. Now which is more pagan, the history in the Tetragrammaton or your Christmas tree?


Jeremiah 10:2-5
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

[Chette]

Quote:Tell you what...spend a day learning what you can of the hebrew language. Then go read the dead sea scroll for YeshaYaHu, you can read it online as it is right now. Then you will come back here and appologize.

The dead sea scroll fragments of Isaiah, read exactly as the KJV book of Isaiah in English.

Quote:I don't know where you do your research at, but it's obvious it came from a crackerjack box. Go read the 2300 year old document.

I don't need a 2300 year old document to read I have the Preserved word of God, that god almighty preserved by his power and word for this generation.

Quote:Then throw your king james version thats been corrupted by jerome in the trash for the blasphemies it commits against the Father.

Jerome never saw a kJB a day in his life and you know nothing of the TR to make such a statement. Jerome is the one who made the Greek OT when up until 250AD only the first five books of the law of Moses were translated into Greek by 70 men in 70 days for the Alexanderian Library hundreds of years before Christ the king of the Jews, the head of the body, the brotherhood of Christ was ever born.

Quote:Also, you might want to realize that the word "holy spirit" is not what you think, but you would if you understood a iota about the hebrew language.

the Holy Ghost is a person, who is part of the fulness of the godhead 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Again you show you have no faith in the true and living God being able to keep his promise to preserve his word to all generations. so you become the final authority not God and his word. Stinks to be you.

[Honey]

Chette,

Where is your anger coming from? Don't you think an adult discussion without the insults would go a long way to facilitating a more productive conversation? You're very condescending IMO. I can't or don't even want to read what your posts because you are basically rude and as such, I pretty much discount all your other comments. I can't imaging anyone who professes to know the true word of God would actually talk to other human beings in the fashon that you do.

[Chette]

(04-24-2012 08:00 PM)Honey Wrote:  Chette,

Where is your anger coming from?

don't misread or interpret my words without having my facial, vocal intonation, and body language you would almost always end up wrong.

I do stand firm on the word of God.

No anger is in my heart, sister so be careful judging with only half of the communication missing.

Quote:Don't you think an adult discussion without the insults would go a long way to facilitating a more productive conversation? You're very condescending IMO

oh and I supposed being called a Blasphemer is not an insult? or crackerjack box research or an idiot, a pagan, etc... you see you fail to see the other posters insult but focus on mine.

Quote: I can't or don't even want to read what your posts because you are basically rude and as such, I pretty much discount all your other comments. I can't imaging anyone who professes to know the true word of God would actually talk to other human beings in the fashon that you do.

Well then I guess you would disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was as rude as it gets to the pharisees of his day.

[Chette]

(04-24-2012 07:30 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:25 PM)Chette Wrote:  you are more pagan than I will every be with you Tetragammaton and your metaphysics. God will judge and I stand and fall to him alone.

Interesting statement. I see Christmas and Christmas trees promoted at your church. Now which is more pagan, the history in the Tetragrammaton or your Christmas tree?


Jeremiah 10:2-5
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

same old Jehovah witness garbage

There you go assuming way to much.

first of all did I ever say I worship or put up a Christmas tree in December?

No, and we don't celebrate Christmas as such. I don't even believe Christ was born in December. More than likely Late Sept or Early Oct by our calender.

So your argument is moot

[Chette]

(04-24-2012 07:13 PM)Silver07 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:25 PM)Chette Wrote:  I took Hebrew for two years in College. and Greek for two years I don't need it If I can't understand it in English as preserved by the hand of God Almighty.

You problem is you think that the bible has errors and right you are. However there is one English version out their that is the preserved word of God for this generation. It is up to you to find it.


But only one is the Preserved word of God.

So do you slap your Sunday school kids on the hand if they ever pick up any translation other than the one YOU allow? After all, you claim to be a Pastor correct?

If you come to my office you will see 35 different Translations and if any member in my church wishes to read it they may with no objection from me. I encourage them to study to shew themselves approved so they will not be ashamed rightly dividing the church of God. 2 Tim 2:15

And maybe you abuse children but I do not slap anyone one the hand or any place else.

I never said I don't use other versions. what I said was there is only one preserved word of God, see how easily it is for you to add to words your own ideas and thoughts. You do that with the Bible as well.. unfortunately 99% of the 350 English versions, Hebrew versions, German Versions, Chinese versions, Latin versions, Spanish versions et al... line up with the two Roman Catholic Greek Text that Westcott and Hort made their Greek text from the Strong's Greek is keyed too.

But I teach from only from the preserved word of God where the English word best represent the broad meanings of Hebrew and Greek.

[Honey]

Quote: I can't or don't even want to read what your posts because you are basically rude and as such, I pretty much discount all your other comments. I can't imaging anyone who professes to know the true word of God would actually talk to other human beings in the fashon that you do.

Well then I guess you would disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was as rude as it gets to the pharisees of his day.


[/quote]

So.. basically you are saying not to judge you by your words. This is a forum and as such, it is all we have to go one and so far, I am not impressed. Let me also say that it appears that you have put yourself on a pedestal WITH Jesus. I would not disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was rude to the pharasees of his day, but let me point out to you that you are not Jesus. Let's just at least agree on that.

[Chette]

(04-24-2012 09:31 PM)Honey Wrote:  

Quote: I can't or don't even want to read what your posts because you are basically rude and as such, I pretty much discount all your other comments. I can't imaging anyone who professes to know the true word of God would actually talk to other human beings in the fashon that you do.

Well then I guess you would disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was as rude as it gets to the pharisees of his day.

Quote:So.. basically you are saying not to judge you by your words. This is a forum and as such, it is all we have to go one and so far, I am not impressed. Let me also say that it appears that you have put yourself on a pedestal WITH Jesus. I would not disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was rude to the pharasees of his day, but let me point out to you that you are not Jesus. Let's just at least agree on that.

no I am saying not to put an emotion into place that yo0u have not verified with your ears and eyes. You eyes see only emotionalless words and words alone you have to put your interpretation on it and you could be wrong as I pointed out.

I am one with Christ and as a member of the body of Christ we are one. And not once have I put myself on a pedestal with Jesus that again would be your interpretation and assumption. I am not Christ but by his example I can follow him as instructed by Paul and if some hard to handle things need to be said I will say them.

Modern day Judaizers are among these who confuse the people with their doctrine of men and devils, and wish to yoke men under the bondage of law that Christ died to set them free from. and when all things in God's word are accomplished then they will be revealed for workers of iniquity.

[Eliyahu]

(04-24-2012 09:43 PM)Chette Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 09:31 PM)Honey Wrote:  

Quote: I can't or don't even want to read what your posts because you are basically rude and as such, I pretty much discount all your other comments. I can't imaging anyone who professes to know the true word of God would actually talk to other human beings in the fashon that you do.

Well then I guess you would disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was as rude as it gets to the pharisees of his day.

Quote:So.. basically you are saying not to judge you by your words. This is a forum and as such, it is all we have to go one and so far, I am not impressed. Let me also say that it appears that you have put yourself on a pedestal WITH Jesus. I would not disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was rude to the pharasees of his day, but let me point out to you that you are not Jesus. Let's just at least agree on that.

no I am saying not to put an emotion into place that yo0u have not verified with your ears and eyes. You eyes see only emotionalless words and words alone you have to put your interpretation on it and you could be wrong as I pointed out.

I am one with Christ and as a member of the body of Christ we are one. And not once have I put myself on a pedestal with Jesus that again would be your interpretation and assumption. I am not Christ but by his example I can follow him as instructed by Paul and if some hard to handle things need to be said I will say them.

Modern day Judaizers are among these who confuse the people with their doctrine of men and devils, and wish to yoke men under the bondage of law that Christ died to set them free from. and when all things in God's word are accomplished then they will be revealed for workers of iniquity.

Emotionless words....wow. So you can tell people to go to hell all day long and as long as you're not flaring your nostrils when you do it is ok?

AWESOME (<--Emotionless) Your doctrine is when I can demean people and their beliefs all the day long and as long as I do it without flaring my nostrils or scream at the PC it's only their problem!

[findingyahsway]

(04-24-2012 09:43 PM)Chette Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 09:31 PM)Honey Wrote:  

Quote: I can't or don't even want to read what your posts because you are basically rude and as such, I pretty much discount all your other comments. I can't imaging anyone who professes to know the true word of God would actually talk to other human beings in the fashon that you do.

Well then I guess you would disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was as rude as it gets to the pharisees of his day.

Quote:So.. basically you are saying not to judge you by your words. This is a forum and as such, it is all we have to go one and so far, I am not impressed. Let me also say that it appears that you have put yourself on a pedestal WITH Jesus. I would not disregard Matthew 23 as Jesus was rude to the pharasees of his day, but let me point out to you that you are not Jesus. Let's just at least agree on that.

no I am saying not to put an emotion into place that yo0u have not verified with your ears and eyes. You eyes see only emotionalless words and words alone you have to put your interpretation on it and you could be wrong as I pointed out.

I am one with Christ and as a member of the body of Christ we are one. And not once have I put myself on a pedestal with Jesus that again would be your interpretation and assumption. I am not Christ but by his example I can follow him as instructed by Paul and if some hard to handle things need to be said I will say them.

Modern day Judaizers are among these who confuse the people with their doctrine of men and devils, and wish to yoke men under the bondage of law that Christ died to set them free from. and when all things in God's word are accomplished then they will be revealed for workers of iniquity.

Chette sir,

What is iniquity?
And well if iniquity is sin.?

And well if sin is transgression of the law.

What law would that be.?
And if that law is love. And THE MESSIAH said if you love me keep my commandments.

What commandments is he talking about?

[Chette]

Roms 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Roms 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Sin was in the world long before the law was. Was sin imputed to Cain when he killed his brother? Of course it was or he would not have been judged of God and had that judgement executed against him in sending him to the east. Adams sin was disobedience to the command of God. You see we were MADE just like Cain was made a sinner, not by violation of God command but by birth into humanity, ours is a nature we are born with, so with or without the law all are guilty of sin.

Roms 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: when did law enter some 2000 plus years after Adam. The law entered into the world that offence might abound not to prove men were guilty of violating God's Law for all Israel Mal4:4.

If your going to define what Iniguity is during this age you need to locate it in the church epistles and the first use is Roms 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. wow the context Paul is speaking to SAVED men and women who are yielding themselves to uncleanliness and iniquity.

Now what is iniquity,well before we answer lets see the first use in the Bible reveals
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites [is] not yet full. oh my it is not Hebrews at all or Jews nor is it any time near Moses. It is Gentiles so that means all men are iniquitous before there ever was the Law of Moses.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. here Lucifer was found to have iniquity. this is not any earthly king for none of them had been on the mount of God that they would be cast out nor any of them a cherub.

Iniquity in all its forms as found in the Preserved word of God, is a persons wicked sinful self will. Amorites some how must have in the past knew God (prior to ever being called Jehovah) we know that to be true because it is not until Exodus 4 that god revels his name that no one else knew. The Amorites knew him as almighty God as did Abraham. so iniquity is sin apart from the law.

Sin well lets look at the first use Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. later we learned that the sin was murder. the first Sin had no law attached to it and there were no Jews for 3000 plus years.

the second use of the word sin is the grievous sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. Later we learn that their sin was strange flesh and it was for that sin which is outside of nature they were destroyed. and that too was sin long before the law of Moses. for Israel the law was a school master to drive them to know they are quilty and sinful even if they kept the law so that in the End Christ would be the one to save them.
Roms 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. It is clear before or after salvation no man will be justified by works of the Law and he rights to believers not unsaved.

Seriously was there no sin when there was no law of Moses? of course there was so you have to go back and understand Romans 4:15 it is the reason that verse 16 on grace is explained and it has to do with those who are given an inheritance with Abraham by faith not o works of the Mosaic law. to make it say anything else is to remove verse 15 from its context if verse 15 was not in the text then the word "therefore" would be useless in verse 16. and as stated above in Romans 5 all were made sinners even though we did not sin the similitude of the sin of Adam.

No one needs the Law to prove they are a sinner and people like Ray Comfort and the Lordship salvation movement using the ten commandments to prove a Gentile is a sinner is the worst as no gentile was ever put under the ten commandments of the law of Moses. that was given to ALL ISRAEL and that is not the spiritual Israel or Spiritual Jew. it was given to a people of the line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, specifically the 12 tribes of Israel the sons of Jacob. not one Gentle is or ever was put under those laws. That is an Alexandrian Jerome teaching to create a priesthood and later the Roman Catholic Church who taught you need to obey the ten commandments and later brought over into the reformation churches and later the Baptist and now evangelicals teach all are to obey the ten.

[findingyahsway]

(04-25-2012 07:12 AM)Chette Wrote:  so iniquity is sin apart from the law.

So Chette God was kind enough to tell us what the law was and write it with his finger tip and send holy prophets and then Christ himself. But you'd rather lean on your own understanding. WOW ok. Great

I'll stick with the book:

1John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Dicitonary.com definition of iniquity

1. gross injustice or wickedness.
2. a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.

Bless you!

[Chette]

(04-25-2012 10:40 PM)findingyahsway Wrote:  So Chette God was kind enough to tell us what the law was and write it with his finger tip and send holy prophets and then Christ himself. But you'd rather lean on your own understanding. WOW ok. Great

I'll stick with the book:

1John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Dicitonary.com definition of iniquity

1. gross injustice or wickedness.
2. a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.

Bless you!

As shown on other threads especially the "is the law done away with" you have failed to rightly divide but instead wrongly join.

You have a predisposition to make every instance of the word Law mean the Law of Moses, while ignoring contextual definitions of the word law where it is found in Scripture.

There was a law before Moses and I showed them from Job and Genesis.

You all need God's divine tool box for studying the word of God. One, the Holy Ghost. Two, learn by example of the Holy Ghost to compare spiritual things. Three, the seven tools needed for your study of God's word, who, what, when, where, why, which and How. Without these you will be all mixed up. Two that you would have applied for law would have been "which and what".

But hey you got all the signs of the apostles going for you so just get new divine revelation direct from the source and fling you Bible out the window.

[Lara]

The better suggestions were not given at the same time as the Ten Recommendations. They were given one 12 a few a few a few a few several weeks later. Unfortunately few individuals know about now distinction which is the key to knowing why the better suggestions were given to the country of Israel.