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boyfromdixie · 06-13-2012, 07:59 AM

slow to learn · (This post was last modified: 06-14-2012 09:28 AM by slow to learn.)

Yep, its always bothered me that people like Bill Maher, Adam Kokesh, David Letterman and John Stewart endorse Ron Paul. He also embraces these people. If I were Ron Paul and was trying to defend freedom I would distant myself away from these type of people!

SilverLining2012 · 06-15-2012, 09:10 PM

One way Rand's action helped the Liberty movement is to help people realize there really is no 'savior' but depend on one's self even more. The only solution is for a complete meltdown to wake up the zombies and help the realize the next system must be bulletproof from the mistakes and flaws of the current one.

06-15-2012, 09:31 PM

(06-15-2012 09:10 PM)SilverLining2012 Wrote: One way Rand's action helped the Liberty movement is to help people realize there really is no 'savior' but depend on one's self even more. The only solution is for a complete meltdown to wake up the zombies and help the realize the next system must be bulletproof from the mistakes and flaws of the current one.

I don't believe there are any honest men that are allowed to be in positions of power in this country anymore because the system has reached the pinnacle of corruption. I think the historical outcome of these types of events is for the government, which caused the problem in the first place, to point the finger of blame at groups that the they know the public at large will be willing to accept as scapegoats. I hope you're right that we will enter into a better system, although I don't think there is such a thing as a bulletproof system on this earth because of the nature of man.

***Honey*** · (This post was last modified: 06-15-2012 09:37 PM by Honey.)

(06-15-2012 09:10 PM)SilverLining2012 Wrote: One way Rand's action helped the Liberty movement is to help people realize there really is no 'savior' but depend on one's self even more. The only solution is for a complete meltdown to wake up the zombies and help the realize the next system must be bulletproof from the mistakes and flaws of the current one.

i agree. The new system will have to be wearing Kevlar! I also agree with Ags.. Honest men would never be allowed for long in the system. Corruption and greed always eak their way in..

slow to learn · 06-17-2012, 08:11 AM

(06-15-2012 09:33 PM)Honey Wrote:
(06-15-2012 09:10 PM)SilverLining2012 Wrote: One way Rand's action helped the Liberty movement is to help people realize there really is no 'savior' but depend on one's self even more. The only solution is for a complete meltdown to wake up the zombies and help the realize the next system must be bulletproof from the mistakes and flaws of the current one.

i agree. The new system will have to be wearing Kevlar! I also agree with Ags.. Honest men would never be allowed for long in the system. Corruption and greed always eak their way in..

I am afraid that the New system that people are holding out hope for will be so oppressive that we will gladly ask for the present system back! The corruption and greed has been hear since the beginning and this world is is owned by it though sin! This is God will and plan! The system of greed will completely take over and rule though deception before God steps in and brings in his rule!

Mojofabulous · 06-19-2012, 12:06 PM

rand is the son of ron, not ron himself. I do believe ron is a honest man and that is precisely why he's been around for decades and people are only now hearing about him, now that he's too old to make real changes.

I also dont like the semi-i-told-you-so remarks that ron paul followers shouldn't be hoping for a savior. Many of us supported ron because it was the right, just, and proper thing to do. Not because we actually thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of becoming president or convincing a hostile congress to do anything correctly.

My granddad supported Ron Paul back in the 80s. Was he hoping for a savior? No. But I guarantee you, if my granddad was still alive and he saw how little ron was actually able to accomplish in terms of laws(or undoing laws)...he would STILL support ron paul. Because it is the right and just and proper thing to do...

That's just imo though. Maybe ron really is the ultimate conman. I've yet to see convincing evidence of that, however.

***Honey*** · 06-19-2012, 09:13 PM

I honestly think Ron is not a "con man". There are so many things that could play into all of this. He could have been threatened or blackmailed. Even with blackmail.. it doesn't have to even be something he did. They could threaten to frame him in an instant with some something. Who knows? I just think that the pressure got laid down... We will never now what that actually was..

General Silver · 06-20-2012, 01:52 PM

As I said elsewhere, he has family ties to freemasonry, Jesuits, and is merely playing the part he needs to so that we stay complacent. I have been following Ron Paul for close to a decade, and have donated in the past. My search for truth began with people like him and Alex Jones, who I have since identified as the appointed gatekeepers of the truth movement in order to prevent people from reaching the right conclusions.

***Honey*** · 06-20-2012, 02:46 PM

(06-20-2012 01:52 PM)General Silver Wrote: As I said elsewhere, he has family ties to freemasonry, Jesuits, and is merely playing the part he needs to so that we stay complacent. I have been following Ron Paul for close to a decade, and have donated in the past. My search for truth began with people like him and Alex Jones, who I have since identified as the appointed gatekeepers of the truth movement in order to prevent people from reaching the right conclusions.

interesting.....

abreik · 06-22-2012, 11:37 AM

Rand fits right in with the Tea Party movement. He doesn't seem to be targeting his message to the Liberty movement at all. Rand Paul was just interviewed by CNN. Lets see what he says:

"Not mine, I just got here" - He hasn't had enough time to cause real pain.
"I have a plan to fix social security for 75 years" - yeah, lets keep that inherently flawed program going longer.
"I want less deductions" - tax loopholes are easier for the rich to exploit, but if taxes are evil to begin with, at least a loophole is one way out of some.
"Lower taxes to encourage growth" - yeah, or just lower/end them because they are evil. There is a difference in ideology. The utilitarian view that taxes are bad is ripe for compromise.
"Bring in money from overseas" - off topic, but isn't this inflationary? Inflation could either be an increase in the money supply or a shrink in the money distribution. whatever, not an anti-liberty cause I guess.

Anyway, I don't think he is fooling anyone in the Liberty movement. We survived Cato, we can survive Rand. It feels like just a matter of time until he makes his anti-liberty views really clear and teams up with Herman Cain to ram through the "rate neutral" 999 plan.