A HEALTHIER YOU THROUGH FASTING

[Chin Music]

A HEALTHIER YOU THROUGH FASTING

I am writing to share with you my experiences with natural health remedies that may help you get through a period of time where medical attention may be scarce. It is unfortunate to say that most people reading this will not implement these life changes that are essential because of the difficulty in implementing a life change, especially among Americans, is not something people want to do. The psyche of most people is just give me a pill or two that can help me get better or protect me. THERE IS NO MAGIC PILL. Having said all that, I would now like to share my experiences and suggestions without apology.

I must at this point give you a little history of myself to help you understand how and why I got to where I am. From a very young age I fell in love with sports and played various one’s year round. As you can imagine I continued to play sports well into adulthood. At 38 years of age (1990) I was experiencing increasing stiffness and pain in my knees and feet. I had my suspicions of the affliction but off to the doctor I went to make sure my interpretation was correct. Diagnosis … arthritis … suggested prescribed treatment … drugs, more drugs, more powerful drugs ultimately leading to joint replacement. I declined at that time and set off to find a natural way to handle my affliction.

I read countless books on nutrition and wound up with a huge library of nutrition books. My head was swimming with information on vitamins and minerals and various other concoctions. From 1990 to 1992 I spent a boat load of money on many different brands of vitamins with little if any relief. By 1992 the pain was so intense that I was brought to tears and was ready to go back to the doctor get the drugs and be done with it. Mercy came my way and I found a new company called USANA. These vitamins worked and the pain greatly diminished. I took those vitamins religiously from 1992 to 2007.

I realized in 2007 that there was a great possibility in the future vitamins and other health remedies I was employing would not be available. I studied wheatgrass and do believe it is a good product but it would be something, for the most part, that you will need to stock up on. I tried growing it with little success. This does not mean it can’t be done, it can, it’s just that it’s very problematic and needs to be grown in controlled conditions. At least that was my experience. I was trying to find remedies that can support people in the worst conditions so in my book wheatgrass doesn’t fit the bill as a main component.

I am an avid bible reader and believer and the thought kept rolling around inside me to look into fasting. The bible has much to say about fasting and a statement that has stood out to me in the past is “your health shall spring forth speedily” which kept coming to mind. Again, I bought all the books I could get my hands on. I gained insight into the subject but was unhappy with the quality of the information until I found a book that I am going to recommend which led to another book which I will also recommend.


Before I do that let me share with you what has happened to me. In 2005 I went to a joint specialist and had him do ex-rays of my knees to see what condition they were in. Well he came into the room, looked at my ex-rays, turned to me with dollar signs rolling in his eyes. He reported to me that I had no more cartilage in either of my knees. I was walking around bone on bone with no bumper material to be found. He asked how much pain I was in. I wasn’t in any real pain (minor discomfort time to time) because I was still using the Usana vitamins. Anyway, no surgery for me and no money for him.

Now to 2007 and implementing the fasting. I stopped the vitamins (scary for me) and started working on fasts. This is a process. One must start slowly and work your way up. The books I will suggest do an excellent job of explaining all the proper steps to take. After working my way up to longer and longer fasts I did a twenty day water fast. During that fast I experienced many different changes that my body went through. Toxins were cleaned from deep within my tissues that can NEVER be cleaned from the human body in any other way. These toxins that get trapped within our bodies are at the root of all our health problems. Add to the toxins some triggers (that you will learn about after reading both books) and you have the perfect storm for arthritis, diabetes, Crohn’s disease and many other sicknesses and diseases.

I am now going to move along and supply links to the books I mentioned earlier. Before I do that though I want to relay to you this is a process and it is a lifestyle change that you must work your way into. I know that many will reject these methods and that is their choice but let me say to you, why are you doing what you are doing? Why are you on this blog? Why are you investing in PM’s? Why do some of you want to buy a little farm? You are preparing for what is to come. Well and good. I say to you that you need to get well before the SHTF and know how to take care of yourself physically and not only monetarily. The books are very detailed and I am quite comfortable recommending them.

The first book is FASTING AND EATING FOR HEALTH by Joel Fuhrman, M.D. Pay close attention to the directions given for starting a fast and ending a fast. This is crucial information.

The second book is THE CHINA STUDY by T. Colin Campbell, PhD. Excellent follow up reading to the fasting book. They complement one another and both add to your well being. Both books are linked to Amazon for the reason of the comments posted for both books. I suggest taking a few minutes to read a few.

The bottom line to all this is you don’t need vitamins. You need to work fasting into your life and eventually do a prolonged fast to remove harmful toxins. You need to clean up your diet so as to limit the intake of new toxins. Short fasts (2-3 days) once in a while will help to eliminate new toxins that are taken in after the prolonged cleaning fast.

For a little more than $20 you can get both books suggested and if you are strong in will you can move forward in health.

[cosmyccowboy]

(03-04-2012 12:26 PM)Chin Music Wrote:  A HEALTHIER YOU THROUGH FASTING

I am writing to share with you my experiences with natural health remedies that may help you get through a period of time where medical attention may be scarce. It is unfortunate to say that most people reading this will not implement these life changes that are essential because of the difficulty in implementing a life change, especially among Americans, is not something people want to do. The psyche of most people is just give me a pill or two that can help me get better or protect me. THERE IS NO MAGIC PILL. Having said all that, I would now like to share my experiences and suggestions without apology.
thanx 4 sharin!!!

I must at this point give you a little history of myself to help you understand how and why I got to where I am. From a very young age I fell in love with sports and played various one’s year round. As you can imagine I continued to play sports well into adulthood. At 38 years of age (1990) I was experiencing increasing stiffness and pain in my knees and feet. I had my suspicions of the affliction but off to the doctor I went to make sure my interpretation was correct. Diagnosis … arthritis … suggested prescribed treatment … drugs, more drugs, more powerful drugs ultimately leading to joint replacement. I declined at that time and set off to find a natural way to handle my affliction.

I read countless books on nutrition and wound up with a huge library of nutrition books. My head was swimming with information on vitamins and minerals and various other concoctions. From 1990 to 1992 I spent a boat load of money on many different brands of vitamins with little if any relief. By 1992 the pain was so intense that I was brought to tears and was ready to go back to the doctor get the drugs and be done with it. Mercy came my way and I found a new company called USANA. These vitamins worked and the pain greatly diminished. I took those vitamins religiously from 1992 to 2007.

I realized in 2007 that there was a great possibility in the future vitamins and other health remedies I was employing would not be available. I studied wheatgrass and do believe it is a good product but it would be something, for the most part, that you will need to stock up on. I tried growing it with little success. This does not mean it can’t be done, it can, it’s just that it’s very problematic and needs to be grown in controlled conditions. At least that was my experience. I was trying to find remedies that can support people in the worst conditions so in my book wheatgrass doesn’t fit the bill as a main component.

I am an avid bible reader and believer and the thought kept rolling around inside me to look into fasting. The bible has much to say about fasting and a statement that has stood out to me in the past is “your health shall spring forth speedily” which kept coming to mind. Again, I bought all the books I could get my hands on. I gained insight into the subject but was unhappy with the quality of the information until I found a book that I am going to recommend which led to another book which I will also recommend.


Before I do that let me share with you what has happened to me. In 2005 I went to a joint specialist and had him do ex-rays of my knees to see what condition they were in. Well he came into the room, looked at my ex-rays, turned to me with dollar signs rolling in his eyes. He reported to me that I had no more cartilage in either of my knees. I was walking around bone on bone with no bumper material to be found. He asked how much pain I was in. I wasn’t in any real pain (minor discomfort time to time) because I was still using the Usana vitamins. Anyway, no surgery for me and no money for him.

Now to 2007 and implementing the fasting. I stopped the vitamins (scary for me) and started working on fasts. This is a process. One must start slowly and work your way up. The books I will suggest do an excellent job of explaining all the proper steps to take. After working my way up to longer and longer fasts I did a twenty day water fast. During that fast I experienced many different changes that my body went through. Toxins were cleaned from deep within my tissues that can NEVER be cleaned from the human body in any other way. These toxins that get trapped within our bodies are at the root of all our health problems. Add to the toxins some triggers (that you will learn about after reading both books) and you have the perfect storm for arthritis, diabetes, Crohn’s disease and many other sicknesses and diseases.

I am now going to move along and supply links to the books I mentioned earlier. Before I do that though I want to relay to you this is a process and it is a lifestyle change that you must work your way into. I know that many will reject these methods and that is their choice but let me say to you, why are you doing what you are doing? Why are you on this blog? Why are you investing in PM’s? Why do some of you want to buy a little farm? You are preparing for what is to come. Well and good. I say to you that you need to get well before the SHTF and know how to take care of yourself physically and not only monetarily. The books are very detailed and I am quite comfortable recommending them.

The first book is FASTING AND EATING FOR HEALTH by Joel Fuhrman, M.D. Pay close attention to the directions given for starting a fast and ending a fast. This is crucial information.

The second book is THE CHINA STUDY by T. Colin Campbell, PhD. Excellent follow up reading to the fasting book. They complement one another and both add to your well being. Both books are linked to Amazon for the reason of the comments posted for both books. I suggest taking a few minutes to read a few.

The bottom line to all this is you don’t need vitamins. You need to work fasting into your life and eventually do a prolonged fast to remove harmful toxins. You need to clean up your diet so as to limit the intake of new toxins. Short fasts (2-3 days) once in a while will help to eliminate new toxins that are taken in after the prolonged cleaning fast.

For a little more than $20 you can get both books suggested and if you are strong in will you can move forward in health.

[John Winger]

(03-04-2012 12:26 PM)Chin Music Wrote:  The bottom line to all this is you don’t need vitamins. You need to work fasting into your life and eventually do a prolonged fast to remove harmful toxins.

Define "vitamins." Seems to me you're lumping many different forms of micronutrients into that category like many so often do (lazy habit, conditioning?)

Explain how one can "detox" without the nutrient supply on hand necessary to drive the physiological and metabolic processes involved in the detoxification.

Also, AFAIK every human fasts on average 1/3 of every day, 56 hours per week, 2910 hours per year for a total of 219,000 hours over an avg lifespan of 75 years. What's the ideal time spent fasting, would you say?

[Chin Music]

(03-04-2012 03:23 PM)John Winger Wrote:  Define "vitamins." Seems to me you're lumping many different forms of micronutrients into that category like many so often do (lazy habit, conditioning?)

Explain how one can "detox" without the nutrient supply on hand necessary to drive the physiological and metabolic processes involved in the detoxification.

Also, AFAIK every human fasts on average 1/3 of every day, 56 hours per week, 2910 hours per year for a total of 219,000 hours over an avg lifespan of 75 years. What's the ideal time spent fasting, would you say?

John,

#1) By vitamins I mean the store bought bottled kind. There are some benefits to (good) bottled vitamins in my opinion but what happens to people who rely heavily on them and they are no longer available or unaffordable.

#2) Our tissues contain stores of vitamins and minerals. During long water fasts our bodies use these stored nutrients to fuel processes.

#3) First off I do not know what you mean by AFAIK. 1/3 of a day is not a fast because during that time you still have plenty of glucose fuel in your system that you are running on. That needs to be depleted, which takes 2 to 3 days, and then the body enters ketosis (running on body fat rather than glucose). At that point the body has stopped processing food and can now enter the repair state.

Ideally, fasting 1 day per week is a good habit. To deep clean the tissues one needs to do a prolonged fast (water only). I have done a 20 day and a 28 day and both have been very beneficial. It is recorded Moses and Jesus did 40 days and it is my goal to do a 40 also.

I highly recommend the fasting book if you are considering this for there are more things you need to know before embarking on a prolonged fast. More things than I can answer for you here. I will add that I posted this recommendation at another blog over a year ago. By last summer I started getting very favorable feedback from people who took up the practice.

[John Winger]

(03-04-2012 04:01 PM)Chin Music Wrote:  #1) By vitamins I mean the store bought bottled kind. There are some benefits to (good) bottled vitamins in my opinion but what happens to people who rely heavily on them and they are no longer available or unaffordable.

I'm still not clear on your claim, here. You're saying is we don't need to buy "vitamins" from the store, not that we don't need to consume vitamins at all, right?

Quote:#3) First off I do not know what you mean by AFAIK. 1/3 of a day is not a fast because during that time you still have plenty of glucose fuel in your system that you are running on. That needs to be depleted, which takes 2 to 3 days, and then the body enters ketosis (running on body fat rather than glucose). At that point the body has stopped processing food and can now enter the repair state.

It's called sleep. I personally don't know anyone that eats during an avg 8 hour night until they eat breakfast the next morning. And I'm being quite generous on the time, too. Say the last wad of food goes down your gullet at 9 PM and you don't eat again until 8 am.......then that's an 11 hour fast which is nearly half the entire day fasting.

Quote:Ideally, fasting 1 day per week is a good habit. To deep clean the tissues one needs to do a prolonged fast (water only). I have done a 20 day and a 28 day and both have been very beneficial. It is recorded Moses and Jesus did 40 days and it is my goal to do a 40 also.

The body is "cleaning the tissues" constantly and turning over everything on an ongoing basis. We create 100 billion new red blood cells every day. Why do we have to cut our hair or trim our finger nails? In fact, one way to determine toxicity is to do consistant hair and mineral analysis over a period of time.

I admire your practice, but your're making claims which are simply not true. The detox processes that happen in the liver, for example, rely heavily on enzymes, protein and tons of cofactors that one simply cannot just generate on their own. In fact, anyone that's done a hardcore detox program will tell you how awful they feel while eating nothing but extremely healthy foods, supplements, raw juices, etc.

Fasting on water only is a benefit because it gives the system a break from allergins, more toxic food, the energy load of eating, allows the hormonal system to re-regulate, etc (ie the point I'm trying to make about sleep). But let's not confuse a break from everyday habits that run us down from sufficient house cleaning by a fully supplied crew. In other words, if your house is a mess and you just leave it alone and stop trashing it, it won't seem so bad after a few days. However, the only real way to really get it clean is to actually roll up the sleeves, get all your tools and tackle it bit by bit, slowly over time. It's a highly individualized process cause each and every one of us is a slob in our own unique way.

[Chin Music]

(03-04-2012 11:03 PM)John Winger Wrote:  I'm still not clear on your claim, here. You're saying is we don't need to buy "vitamins" from the store, not that we don't need to consume vitamins at all, right?

Hello John,

Yes, to the above quote. To be more clear I should have used the word supplements. I no longer need to purchase supplements if I eat a healthy diet and include fasting as part of my lifestyle. The healthy diet gives me all the vitamins and minerals I need. Both books I recommended go into great detail concerning diet.

Dr. Joel Furhman is a medical doctor who runs a clinic/retreat in NY where he works people through fasts. T. Colin Campbell has a PhD and spent 30 to 40 years of his life researching to write "The China Study".
My opening post to this thread is nothing more than a report of the results I obtained after reading their books and applying what they instructed. All the answers I gave you previous to this post is information from the aforementioned books. You can read them or ignore them the choice is yours.

John, I didn't post to act as an expert or to get into debate. I posted to relay my experience to my fellow man. Stay well John.

[John Winger]

I know Furhman and Campbell and think both are frauds. The China Study has more holes than a dysbiotic leaky gut.

Like i said, I admire your fortitude and think it's great to share and inspire others. Not a thing wrong with that.

Not trying to spur a debate; just clearing up the misconceptions and trying to separate anecdote/fantasy from science.

[General Silver]

I have done juice fasting before and have not had any problems with it. People who I tell that to try to convince me not to do it saying it's not good for you, but the only valid con that I've been able to verify is protein deficiency. I do not have any serious health issues to speak of so I can't say whether or not the fast helped with that, but it did help from the standpoint of removing my food addictions. We are all addicted to things in our food, whether it is actual additives, caffeiene, or simply starch/sugar addiction. I did not have a 'crisis' as I was warned about by the book that came with my program, which is generally attributed to your body's reaction to kicking your addictions, but the first few days were the most difficult.

Aside from removing toxins from your body, cleansing your intestinal track of old food remnants, and weight loss, one of the biggest reasons I chose to juice fast was cell repair. Unfortunately I can't substantiate it, but I read that since your body has all this extra energy normally used for digestion it instead redirects it throughout your body to repair damaged cells and basically do a defrag of your body.

I was quite pleased with the results and plan on doing it again soon. The program I did is designed for 5, 10, or 15 days at a time. It is recommended not to do it more than a couple times per year though, and is not easy to do, obviously. The thing that makes it easier as you go is that once you have not had solid food for 3 days you can damage your body by switching over to solid food without weening back onto it, but it also gets easier as you are no longer physically addicted to the food you used to eat.

I can't speak to the benefits of fasting 1 day at a time every week, but my understanding is that the longer you fast the more benefits you gain so doing it 1 day per week doesn't seem very ideal to me.

[Chin Music]

(03-05-2012 11:02 PM)General Silver Wrote:  I can't speak to the benefits of fasting 1 day at a time every week, but my understanding is that the longer you fast the more benefits you gain so doing it 1 day per week doesn't seem very ideal to me.

GS ... Thanks for sharing your experiences. I find that fasting one day a week 1) helps to keep the flesh under 2) helps to smooth the transition into a prolonged fast when I am ready to do that. You are correct in saying the longer you fast the more benefits you gain.

[Chin Music]

(03-05-2012 03:49 PM)John Winger Wrote:  I know Furhman and Campbell and think both are frauds. The China Study has more holes than a dysbiotic leaky gut.

Like i said, I admire your fortitude and think it's great to share and inspire others. Not a thing wrong with that.

Not trying to spur a debate; just clearing up the misconceptions and trying to separate anecdote/fantasy from science.

I followed everything those two frauds wrote and it has repeatedly worked. Could be the first time in history that frauds accidentally told the truth.

[victor kruger]

No kidding you don't need vitamins you just need to eat properly, as to fasting ? well im not saying it does or dosnt work but ill just stick to fresh food,a good diet and regular exercise thanks, fasting isnt on the menu for me im afraid.

[Chin Music]

(03-08-2012 08:10 PM)victor kruger Wrote:  No kidding you don't need vitamins you just need to eat properly, as to fasting ? well im not saying it does or dosnt work but ill just stick to fresh food,a good diet and regular exercise thanks, fasting isnt on the menu for me im afraid.

It certainly is not an easy road and most won't do it but the benefits are tremendous.

[swansontec]

I generally do a one or two week water fast every spring, and I agree that this is an excellent practice for those with the fortitude to make it through. Even if nothing else, the fast achieves a "taste bud reset" where healthy, natural foods become delicious and sugary, processed foods become disgusting. It has been a year since my last fast, and I still cannot stand the taste of soda.

The key to fasting, from a medical point of view, is to completely deplete the liver's glycogen and enter a state of ketosis. In other words, the fast doesn't really begin until about 24-48 hours after the last meal. This is the state where the body really starts burning off the deadly fat deposits associated with heart disease, hypertension, and diabetes. Even things like excess cholesterol get thrown into the furnace.

While he doesn't talk about fasting specifically, check out Robert Lustig's famous video on the cellular damage that can come about from a modern diet. Most of the damage takes the form of persistent deposits, such a lipid droplets in the liver or hormone build-ups in the muscle tissue. In other words, these are the "toxins" the natural health people are worried about. Since fasting is a fundamentally different metabolic state from the normal glucose-fueled one, it provides an opportunity to burn these deposits away.

My favorite guidebook for this is "Quick Fasting" by Dr. Bronner. It is actually available online for free.

[cosmyccowboy]

i have fasted, no food are water from sundown to sundown on the day of atonement many times... it is tough!

[Chin Music]

(03-16-2012 06:39 PM)swansontec Wrote:  I generally do a one or two week water fast every spring, and I agree that this is an excellent practice for those with the fortitude to make it through. Even if nothing else, the fast achieves a "taste bud reset" where healthy, natural foods become delicious and sugary, processed foods become disgusting. It has been a year since my last fast, and I still cannot stand the taste of soda.

The key to fasting, from a medical point of view, is to completely deplete the liver's glycogen and enter a state of ketosis. In other words, the fast doesn't really begin until about 24-48 hours after the last meal. This is the state where the body really starts burning off the deadly fat deposits associated with heart disease, hypertension, and diabetes. Even things like excess cholesterol get thrown into the furnace.

While he doesn't talk about fasting specifically, check out Robert Lustig's famous video on the cellular damage that can come about from a modern diet. Most of the damage takes the form of persistent deposits, such a lipid droplets in the liver or hormone build-ups in the muscle tissue. In other words, these are the "toxins" the natural health people are worried about. Since fasting is a fundamentally different metabolic state from the normal glucose-fueled one, it provides an opportunity to burn these deposits away.

My favorite guidebook for this is "Quick Fasting" by Dr. Bronner. It is actually available online for free.

Swansontec,

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and information. Cannot agree more with all you wrote.

[Chin Music]

(03-16-2012 07:57 PM)cosmyccowboy Wrote:  i have fasted, no food are water from sundown to sundown on the day of atonement many times... it is tough!

Ha ha ha .... hang in there cowboy!!!

[jhon alen]

eople who go on juice fasting should make it a point to drink only fresh juices preferably three times daily instead of solid foods. The consumption should be from 1 to 2 liters interspersed with tea made of aromatic herbs, vegetable broth and an abundance of water. This diet is expected to generate nourishing and therapeutic effects. If you know how to juice fast, there are no difficult policies to follow. Just make sure to do away with unsafe foodstuffs such as alcoholic beverages, caffeine, oily food, fatty and processed meat, sugar and flour. In the case of diabetics, eating and juicing can be done simultaneously since people afflicted by this chronic sickness should never go hungry.

In opting how to juice fast, a few functional tips recommended by health experts include the following:

Turn your backs on unhealthy food and tell yourself that you are on a fasting process.

Go on light manageable exercises or try a steam sauna to preserve your muscles relaxed.

Take a break from stressful activities and relax.

Sleep well since juice fasting may be strenuous so it is recommended that you add one more hour of rest.

Do some cleansing of your colon through a dependable program that will match your requirements. It may be necessary to do this since not all contaminants are discarded through movement of the bowels.


Simon French

[Stevens]

I can suggest some things to you which gives you quite good results very soon. 1st of all change your diet schedule add some natural protein, and nutrition's in your diet, eat fresh fruits veggies meat milk egg and these kinds of thing it gives you very fast results.